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5:56 pm January 15, 2012
| MW
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Jim Rogers seems to think so:
Jim Rogers: The Economy Is Being Juiced Up Before the Election, Watch Out for 2013
Legendary global investor and chairman of Singapore-based Rogers Holdings, Jim Rogers has been talking about the recent 'upbeat' US economic data and bullish expectations for gold. He dismisses the first as "juicing up" the economy to win the election and calls for caution on the yellow metal.
Speaking to India's ET Now, Rogers said: "You have the American government spending staggering amounts of money right now, printing a lot of money and getting ready for the election".
"You have to remember the election in America in November…they do their best to get the economy juiced up so they can win the election," he added.
Rogers has been warning that the problem of too much debt can't be solved by more debt and that the next recession will be worse because the debt is going through the roof and in his words "we're shooting our bullets."
Rogers has long distrusted the Federal Reserve and the monetary policies it has been pursuing, claiming that "everything is worse instead of better."
The legendary investors' solution? "Let people go bankrupt. Let the system clean out and start over."
"2013 and 2014 are what I am most worried about because this year everybody is trying to just get through the next election…Everybody is going to do their best to get us through the election. Watch out for 2013, Rogers told ET Now.
When asked specifically about gold, he presented a more cautious view.
"I own gold and I am not selling gold by any set of imagination," he said, adding that if the yellow metal rose in 2012, that would make it 12 years in a row that it would be going up. "That is very unusual for any asset."
"It would not surprise me if gold continues to consolidate. Maybe by the end of the year, it will start rising again and maybe even have another up year in 2012, but gold needs to continue to consolidate," the renowned investor said.
"I want it to consolidate," he added, stressing that this would be best for the metal in the long-term as it will would allow it to rise higher.
Gold traders are the most bullish in two months. Eighteen of 23 surveyed by Bloomberg expect the metal to gain next week, the highest proportion since November 11.
Spot gold prices dipped to US$1,637 an ounce this morning London time – a 1.4% fall from Thursday's high.
Bullion rose 10% last year on the Comex in New York, beating the 1.2% drop in the Standard & Poor’s GSCI Total Return Index of 24 commodities and the 9.4% decline in the MSCI All-Country World Index of equities. Treasuries returned 9.8%, Bloomberg reported quoting a Bank of America Corp. index.
U.S. Gold Corp Chief Executive Rob McEwen said he expects global financial worries to push gold prices above US$2,000 an ounce in 2012 and much higher in the next few years.
This actually cheered me up a little today. If true it gives me one more peak earning year in my career and allows me to buy more silver, convince more family and friends and buy more guns.
source: http://www.bi-me.com/main.php?…..#038;mset=
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All the kings horses and all the kings men won’t be able to put the empire together again. -anonymous
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8:07 pm January 15, 2012
| Gallo
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Post edited 8:24 pm – January 15, 2012 by Gallo
No, we'll be talking about the coming collapse next year and the year after. We are in the early stages of it, though. And next year we'll be a little deeper into it, but we'll still be waiting. It is only when we look over a decade, per say, that we can appreciate how good things were. The collapse is a shake down, a transfer of wealth. There is no point in frying the goose of the golden eggs.
The real predators are not hoodlums or ex convicts looking to take your preps. The real predators are in Wall Street and Washington. They are skilled at taking money and blaming someone else. And the worse part is you can't fend them off with a gun.
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8:43 pm January 15, 2012
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I sure hope you are correct. I'm not seeing any happy economic news for this year. I'm trying to kick into high gear as far as Solar energy and becoming more self sufficient. I'm just taking it about 6 months at a time.
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9:28 pm January 15, 2012
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If the U.S. and other developed countries did not have a social safety net in place (e.g., unemployment benefits, social security), I believe we would be in Great Depression II already. But because of the social safety nets in modern economies, the decline will be slower and last longer.
Will the tipping point be reached in 2013, when everything suddenly collapses? Perhaps. Or perhaps it will take longer to reach the tipping point. It's also possible the worst of the storm may not happen. Paper currency is a confidence scheme. If people continue to have faith in printed money, hyperinflation should not happen and we'll continue to muddle along.
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10:05 pm January 15, 2012
| MW
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My two cents says that prepping is a lifestyle not just a momentary, periodic change in worldview. So, either way I'm a prepper for life. Guys, even after all this is said and done, lets say 30 years from now, I will still be a prepper, ready for the next big collapse!!!
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All the kings horses and all the kings men won’t be able to put the empire together again. -anonymous
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6:11 pm January 16, 2012
| Jarhead
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Prepping is a lifestyle, one with no down side……at least none I can see.
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" When a well packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and it's speaker a raving lunatic." Dresden James
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8:19 pm January 16, 2012
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I agree without the incentive of my condition or all the economies starting to fail. I'm not sure I would have started prepping. If it wasn't for the potential SHTF I'd be having a blast gardening, brewing beer and learning all the other stuff I've learned and revisiting some old skills.
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8:50 pm January 16, 2012
| Gallo
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I agree. There is no downside to prepping. But if you go too far the deep end, you may just end up with too many gadgets or a basement full of crap with little resale value. It's all a compensating act best judged by the individual.
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10:07 pm January 16, 2012
| Jarhead
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Gallo said:
I agree. There is no downside to prepping. But if you go too far the deep end, you may just end up with too many gadgets or a basement full of crap with little resale value. It's all a compensating act best judged by the individual.
That's true of almost everything in life …excess is a vice, moderation a virtue. I have a friend who is a bass fisherman….he has thousands tied up in boats and equipment……just to catch some damn fish. Same with hunting, a guy once told me his ducks figured out to cost him about $700 a pound and the bass fisherman throws most of his catch back .
In my prepping I get fresh meat, fresh vegetables, lower prices on goods, peace of mind, shared experiences with my family, of course most of what I do I've always done. I hate to depend on others and the more self-sufficient I am the better I like it.
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" When a well packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and it's speaker a raving lunatic." Dresden James
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10:19 pm January 16, 2012
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Gallo it's not gadgets I'm getting. It's water, rice, beans, grain and flour. Not an I(insert name) gadget to be found. Oh I 'm sure I have a couple of items that will be of no use if everything turns out great. My saving Phone books will be of no use as backup TP and paper towels. But they will be great for the Charcoal chimney starter. Or a fire starter for folks with a fireplace. All that shredded paper can be used as composting material.
I think we move in different worlds Gallo. I always have a back up plan for use. My big TV just died. No big deal I want to get an "Internet ready" Flat screen of some sort and I'm willing to wait to have cash on hand. Kill my sat. service and go totally internet. Plus a flat screen LCD or Plasma is cheap electrically.
You are somewhat well off by your own admission and could probably buy a 32 or 40 in" without a thought out of petty cash. I just have to focus my buying as I'm low income and those total dollars/ percentages eat me alive. $500.00 may not seem like much but that's darn close to a house payment for me. If I paid $150.00 for my food for myself and make only $1500.00 per month. You pay the same $150.00 but you earn $3000.00 the percentage of income changes radically. It's not how much you spend per month. It's the cash on hand leftover that counts.
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11:39 pm January 16, 2012
| MW
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Post edited 11:40 pm – January 16, 2012 by MW
. It's the cash on hand leftover that counts.
Ah, yes, the money you don't spend! A penny saved IS a penny earned. My wife and I pride ourselves on having as little as possible in the way of bills and overhead in favor of having a lot of "discretionary" income. Most of the couples we know that are our age go on a single 1-2 week vacation a year but we go two or three plus several weekend trips to the lake, Dollywood, etc..My wife doesn't work, so its all on me. Friends always wonder with my job which is middle income how we do so much. Most are not really interested when I try to give them the details. Once they find our its about frugality and careful money management they lose interest. They're hoping I have some internet business or other quick-rich thing. Nope.
We have two cars but only one small car pmt which is almost paid off. Zero credit card debt. Income truly is relative so all I care about is what is left over and making it as big of an amount as possible, saving 1/3, giving 1/3 and having fun with 1/3.
We stick to our budget so much that we both are commonly heard saying at least once a day, "No, that's not in the budget" or "Yea, we can work that into the budget."
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All the kings horses and all the kings men won’t be able to put the empire together again. -anonymous
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8:46 pm January 17, 2012
| Gallo
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Post edited 8:47 pm – January 17, 2012 by Gallo
jamie said:
Gallo it's not gadgets I'm getting. It's water, rice, beans, grain and flour. Not an I(insert name) gadget to be found. Oh I 'm sure I have a couple of items that will be of no use if everything turns out great. My saving Phone books will be of no use as backup TP and paper towels. But they will be great for the Charcoal chimney starter. Or a fire starter for folks with a fireplace. All that shredded paper can be used as composting material.
I'm most definitely not alluding to your preps, Jamie, or insinuating that anyone's preps are gadgets. There is a thought process behind what you bought. They basically meet your needs. In my circumstances my preps are different due to space limitations and my perception of what I consider important should tshtf. If I were to buy, for example a solar oven, that equipment in my hands would be a gadget. I have absolutely no idea how to use one. In your hands, I'm sure it's a great cooking tool. That's what I mean when people get carried away buying survival gear without knowing what it's for. Then, two years later when nothing happens, they sell it at a loss on ebay.
I think we move in different worlds Gallo. I always have a back up plan for use. My big TV just died. No big deal I want to get an "Internet ready" Flat screen of some sort and I'm willing to wait to have cash on hand. Kill my sat. service and go totally internet. Plus a flat screen LCD or Plasma is cheap electrically.
Not so different worlds. You may laugh but my primary TV is a tube 26" across that I bought 8 years ago. My laptop is from 2005. My cars are paid for and I did not buy them new. But mechanically they are very sound.
You are somewhat well off by your own admission and could probably buy a 32 or 40 in" without a thought out of petty cash. I just have to focus my buying as I'm low income and those total dollars/ percentages eat me alive. $500.00 may not seem like much but that's darn close to a house payment for me. If I paid $150.00 for my food for myself and make only $1500.00 per month. You pay the same $150.00 but you earn $3000.00 the percentage of income changes radically. It's not how much you spend per month. It's the cash on hand leftover that counts.
By my own admission, I'm a guy with a mortgage and a family to feed. I have a great family that is united and I consider that tremendous wealth. I've seen tough economic conditions— perhaps I'll see worse—and I use that barometer to prepare.
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8:29 am January 18, 2012
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Post edited 8:42 am – January 18, 2012 by Jarhead
2012 may very well be the last year to prep according to Kevin Freeman author of “Secret Weapon: How Economic Terrorism Brought Down the U.S. Stock Market and Why It Can Happen Again”.
Mr. Freeman’s thesis is that the stock market crash of 2008 was the second of a three phase plan to crash America's economy. Freeman claims to have indisputable Proof of Market Manipulation and that the first phase was oil price manipulation, the second was a bear raid on the stock market, the third will be an attack on the dollar.
READ THE FULL STORY AT washingtontimes.com
“Along with the Internet our markets, banks, and other financial systems are vital institutions that are far more vulnerable to complete disruption than we would hope, especially to carefully-planned intervenors with the opportunity, motive, and means to, say, bring down the dollar. Freeman explains persuasively and clearly why we may be beginning the third act of a monetary and fiscal tragedy. You don’t care about dark pools, huge Middle-Eastern sovereign wealth funds, naked short selling, and bear runs? I’m afraid you will, and rather soon.”
—R James Woolsey
Chairman of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies
and former Director of Central Intelligence
Freeman's web site is http://globaleconomicwarfare.com/
Check it out…this is some scary stuff.
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" When a well packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and it's speaker a raving lunatic." Dresden James
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8:54 am January 18, 2012
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Leon Panetta, America’s defence secretary, has suggested that a cyberattack on financial markets, the power grid and government systems could be “the next Pearl Harbour”. In a move that received surprisingly little attention, Barack Obama signed an unprecedented executive order in July declaring the infiltration of financial and commercial markets by transnational criminal groups to be a national emergency. It also pointed to “evidence of growing ties between [these groups] and terrorists”. In a sign that Congress, too, is twitchy, its latest appropriations bill calls for a report into the risks posed by financial terrorism.
Officials’ anxiety has grown amid circumstantial evidence that malefactors helped to exacerbate the market turmoil in late 2008. A report on the risks of economic warfare by Cross Consulting—which was written in 2009 for the Pentagon’s Irregular Warfare Support Programme (IWSP) but which surfaced only in 2011—cites a paper prepared for law-enforcement officials by a group of anonymous moneymen who were alarmed by trading patterns around the time that Lehman Brothers failed.
The paper analyses trading data from American exchanges. It shows that a handful of small and midsized regional brokers saw their market share in equities trading skyrocket in 2008 to the point where some were, for a while, doing more business than giants such as Goldman Sachs and JPMorgan Chase. The brokers’ business was conducted under multiple trading symbols, the market-making identities used in electronic trading so that counterparties know whom they are dealing with.
The bulk of the trading appears to have been “sponsored access” agreements, under which established brokers can in effect rent their identities to other traders so that the latter do not have to jump through the usual regulatory hoops. There is no suggestion that the brokers in question were doing anything wrong. They say they were doing business with regulated entities, including other brokers, but the report raises questions about the trades these sponsored entities were conducting.
These trades were heavily concentrated in big, troubled stocks such as Citigroup and Wachovia, the survival of which was seen as critical to the stability of the financial system. They were mostly short-selling, the paper concludes, and a good deal of the shorting may have been of the illegal “naked” kind, where the short-seller does not bother to locate and borrow the shares first. (Borrowing a broker’s identity could have made this easier, since marketmakers were exempt from the ban on naked shorting in certain circumstances.) Supporting this conclusion is a huge spike in trades that failed to settle at the time—in Lehman’s case, the number shot from tens of thousands to tens of millions. One cause of “fails” is naked shorting, because you cannot deliver a share that you have not really borrowed.
http://www.economist.com/node/21542186
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" When a well packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and it's speaker a raving lunatic." Dresden James
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5:59 pm January 18, 2012
| MW
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It like in the prequel movies of Star Wars. The guy who played emperor was actually controlling both sides against the middle. First he blackmailed the good leader, then he took power, then he started a war, then he eliminated the opposition while amassing huge power.
This "foreign" attacks will no doubt be executed by the hired hand of banksters and globalists.
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All the kings horses and all the kings men won’t be able to put the empire together again. -anonymous
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7:14 pm January 18, 2012
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MW said:
It like in the prequel movies of Star Wars. The guy who played emperor was actually controlling both sides against the middle. First he blackmailed the good leader, then he took power, then he started a war, then he eliminated the opposition while amassing huge power.
This "foreign" attacks will no doubt be executed by the hired hand of banksters and globalists.
I see you didn't read any of it…… Oh well if it fits your preconceived ideas
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" When a well packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and it's speaker a raving lunatic." Dresden James
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11:23 pm January 18, 2012
| MW
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Preconceived ideas are the best kind; well thought-out and tested as opposed to reactionary and based on fear.
I just love how so many people look outward for the next menace when its actually coming from within. The U.S. as a nation is by now a false idea predicated upon "what used to be." A tired notion that keeps the establishment in power through its system of projected patriotism to the masses. Namely, worship of war and military and the ideal of the American Dream which is hogwash considering the condition of our freedom and Liberty. Is it the best thing going? Barely, but its not nearly what it seems to be.
I don't trust a damn thing these Fed goons put out. When they say they're worried, I know they're excited. When they point to an enemy, I point to THEM. When they say we need to sacrifice, I laugh as I look at the national debt.
Everything major that happens (that we hear about) is at a minimum manipulated (not what it appears), if not outright fabricated (not reality) or caused by the corporate-government kabal. (when real).
Paranoid? No, just well-read.
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All the kings horses and all the kings men won’t be able to put the empire together again. -anonymous
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12:19 am January 19, 2012
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Oh, don't think I'm knocking you either Gallo your plans are just different than mine based on what both can do and have planned for. I never even considered having a setup outside of the USA. Aren't us us Americans the free home of the brave and all that other stuff….
Unless the PTBs change the way things are in this country we will enter a very dark time. I don't have a lot of hope of stuff changing so I'm doing the best I can to educate myself on finance. Getting small and much not a prercieved threat. If I can get somewhat self sufficeint and get a bit of a stake built up I think I could start working the markets as a way to make a living and get off SSD. I don't need a lot of cash on hand to live a good life.
So my focus is getting a little positive cash flow going, keep working on reducing my cash outflow and getting the house paid off. I think all are doable this year except paying off the house though I will be able to pay it off in just over 15 years if I get that long.
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8:26 am January 19, 2012
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Post edited 8:27 am – January 19, 2012 by Gallo
It would really, absolutely have to suck here for me to leave. The US is the best country in the world to live, with the strongest framework for prosperity.
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1:42 pm January 19, 2012
| MW
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On a lighter note…..
FIFA says, "Beer MUST be sold"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/worl…..a-16624823
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All the kings horses and all the kings men won’t be able to put the empire together again. -anonymous
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