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8:54 pm
June 28, 2010
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Crab Apple
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Jarhead said:
How UGLY is the weeping widow………?
What cha gonna do Sour ….eat her too?
Naaah I bet he's thinkin "Instant TEOTWAWKI family……… just add food …….. and sleep with ONE EYE OPEN!"
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9:35 pm
June 28, 2010
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Sourdough
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Jarhead said:
How UGLY is the weeping widow………?
What cha gonna do Sour ….eat her too?
Well that is a little personal…………. I am looking for a good woman and some trainable sons. Two son would be perfect, and three could work.
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LOOK: Start to get wrapped around the idea that it was over in the Fall of 2008. This is just the dying quivers. Stop waiting for "IT" to happen, "IT" already happened.
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10:08 pm
June 28, 2010
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EN
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Sign out front of Sourdough's place: Wanted, good to semi-good lookin' woman with 2 to 3 younger teen male children. All must be willing to work "asses" off… partiuclarly the woman. 
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"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex… It takes a touch of genius to move in the opposite direction." Albert Einstien
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11:10 pm
June 28, 2010
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Sourdough
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EN said:Sign out front of Sourdough's place: Wanted, good to semi-good lookin' woman with 2 to 3 younger teen male children. All must be willing to work "asses" off… partiuclarly the woman. 
Seems fair to me, I am 64 years old, and spend all day mixing (By hand in a wheel borrow) concrete for the foundation for the new cabin, If I work everybody works.
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LOOK: Start to get wrapped around the idea that it was over in the Fall of 2008. This is just the dying quivers. Stop waiting for "IT" to happen, "IT" already happened.
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11:15 pm
June 28, 2010
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EN
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It seems like a good plan. Good luck.
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"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex… It takes a touch of genius to move in the opposite direction." Albert Einstien
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6:41 am
June 29, 2010
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MW
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Lord, this thread has careened out of control! I wasn't asking how far you'd go to survive; simply do you have the training and mindset to confront an armed agressor and win! Hehehehe, you guys are awesome though!
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Speak no evil, hear no evil, see no evil.
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7:08 am
June 29, 2010
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Sourdough
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MW said:
simply do you have the training and mindset to confront an armed agressor and win!
YEP…………..
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LOOK: Start to get wrapped around the idea that it was over in the Fall of 2008. This is just the dying quivers. Stop waiting for "IT" to happen, "IT" already happened.
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3:55 pm
August 18, 2010
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MW
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Home invasion goes awry: a good quick read to keep us all on our toes… -MW
HANOVER TWP. — An accused robber in a home invasion that left a man dead is now facing a murder charge.
John Eric Robinson, 27, of Lebanon was indicted today, Aug. 18, on murder, aggravated robbery and aggravated burglary charges in connection with the invasion of Gregory K. Gabbard’s home on Beissinger Road and the death of alleged fellow robber, Steven Deshaun Davis, earlier this month.
The incident that occurred at about 1:45 a.m. Aug. 8, left the two Robinson and Davis with multiple gunshot wounds.
Davis was pronounced dead at University Hospital in Cincinnati, where Robinson was hospitalized for several days.
According to Ohio law, if a death occurs as the result an offender committing or attempting to commit a violent criminal offense that is a first- or second-degree felony, the person can be charged with murder.
The two men are accused of breaking into Gabbard’s home to rob him, according to Butler County Sheriff’s deputies.
Gabbard was compliant with the intruders’ demands, but “felt imminent danger coming his way,” according to Chief Deputy Anthony Dwyer,
That’s when Gabbard went to another room and returned with a 7.62 mm caliber semi-automatic rifle.
At least one round was fired by one of the suspects from a small-caliber handgun before it jammed.
In a 911 call, a man said, “I shot both of them … the robbers. Please hurry.”
Both Davis and Robinson have criminal records through Butler County Common Pleas Court. Davis was charged in 2004, at age 17, for attempted burglary. Robinson has seven closed cases, ranging from drug trafficking to carrying a concealed weapon.
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Speak no evil, hear no evil, see no evil.
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4:06 pm
August 18, 2010
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EN
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Never bring a small caliber handgun that jams to a rifle fight.
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"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex… It takes a touch of genius to move in the opposite direction." Albert Einstien
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7:40 pm
August 18, 2010
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MW
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exactly.
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Speak no evil, hear no evil, see no evil.
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8:40 am
August 19, 2010
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EN said:
Never bring a small caliber handgun that jams to a rifle fight.
Bang. Click. Click. "Quote the Raven. Nevermore."
Well Raven, Lorcin, Jennings or one of those little toys.
In Re: The OP
I believe I would and the one time it was going to be tested ended with the perp running away. I know my mind was running through every move I was going to have to make up to and including the number of shots and how long the body was going to have to remain on our wood floor before I would be able to clean them up. I am not joking. All sorts of things were running through my mind but I think the potential clean up issues tell me that I was going to follow through. I was truly surprised afterwards about how much logical thought was going through my mind even while giving directions to my wife to watch the back door and giving a description of the perp to the 911 operator. More cognizant thinking that I thought was possible under these circumstances. I posted the event on ferfals website a week after it happened because I wanted to write it down while it was still fresh and pass on the technique these thugs were using to you folks. I will link it in case anyone is interested in reading it or didn't see it the first time.
http://ferfal.blogspot.com/201…..asion.html
It's a crazy world out there.
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8:22 pm
August 20, 2010
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Justin Case
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Some might remember the Bernhard Goetz case of the 1980s in New York City. Here is a 45-minute interview where Goetz discusses what was going through his mind while he was pulling the trigger (Aftermath).
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8:51 pm
August 20, 2010
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I'll kill him no mater what. I have a gun a shot gun and you ( the robber) have no right to mess with me. So I will kill your ass if given an opportunity. You don't want to die dont rob folks. It really is easy and simple.
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9:48 pm
August 20, 2010
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Have before….could again….don't wont to
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" The Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." John Adams
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8:25 pm
September 3, 2010
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indiucky
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Jarhead said:
Have before….could again….don't wont to
Your short post has stuck in my mind since you wrote it. I have had two nightmares about that afternoon. In one of them I don't shoot and what follows is awful. In the other I do shoot and what follows is awful. I am most thankful it did not come to that and I hope peace and grace follow you the rest of your days.
You shared alot wisdom in those seven words.
Indiucky
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11:51 am
September 4, 2010
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This is an interesting question and I like the fact that Jarhead mentiioned Col Grossman. If you have not read his book TO KILL, it is outstanding. It also shows how objectional most humans are when it comes to actually doing the deed.
Grossman stated that one has to train and override the natural instict not to kill. I served with the 82nd when we were part of special operations and worked in small teams. We trained to perform our mission and to block out the natural instict to preserve life.
We did what we had to do to ensure the mission was complete.
With that said, could I kill if needed? yes without a doubt. But it is the consiquences afterwards that one has to deal with. AKA Shell Shock, post tramatic stress, etc.
This is where your mental fortitude and reliance upon the Lord comes into play. If you have neither one of two things will happen.
1. You will become a cold blooded killer and loose all touch with humanity
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2. You will suffer a personal hell that will haunt you for the rest of your life
Grossman points out that the sanctity of the life of another human is hardwired into our beings. The bible makes it clear in saying that the law of God is written upon the hearts of men… Thou shall not murder. (note – kill is not the word used in hebrew, it is murder)
I guess the best way to put it is the "doctrine of competing harms" vs the "doctrine of
necessity." Simply put, one is allowed to break the law ( to
kill), in the rare circumstances where following the law (not killing)
would cause more injury to you or other innocent humans than it would breaking it.
So as long as I am acting within the proper perameters that are laid out, I am able to do so and do so effectivly.
Good question and good responces.
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2:23 pm
September 7, 2010
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I've got a young daughter and wouldn't flinch in taking someone down that breaks into my home. The instinct to protect our young goes far beyond any empathy towards the sanctity of human life.
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2:48 pm
September 7, 2010
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Sourdough
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I don't know……..and pray I never have to find out the answer.
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LOOK: Start to get wrapped around the idea that it was over in the Fall of 2008. This is just the dying quivers. Stop waiting for "IT" to happen, "IT" already happened.
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7:13 pm
September 25, 2010
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Yes, without a doubt. That used to disturb me, my total lack of connection to people outside my close circle of people I care about, but not so much now. I don't buy into any "sanctity of life" rhetoric where thieves and murders are concerned. Leave me alone and all will be ok, but threaten my life or well being, or that of my core group, and you've effectively surrendered your own right to continue doing business. Bad dreams and haunting? Maybe of the moments the loser attempted to attack me, but highly doubtful it'll be of the moment when he lay dead on the floor. I feel more empathy for rabid dogs who are put down, at least they are innocent.
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7:18 pm
September 25, 2010
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rivercelt
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Leave me alone and all will be ok, but threaten my life or well being, or that of my core group, and you've effectively surrendered your own right to continue doing business.
now if only the court system felt that way…
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