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8:36 pm November 15, 2011
| MW
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Post edited 8:37 pm – November 15, 2011 by MW
CNN POLL: Whites give president thumbs DOWN 61%-36%; Non-White thumbs UP 67%-32%...
What is the possibility of major race riots nationwide, or something worse than race riots. Could America face a Rodney King-like backlash on a country-wide scale?
After MLK was assassinated, there were riots in D.C., and pockets of disturbances throughout the United States, but could something far worse be on the horizon if Obama loses the 2012 election?
CNN Poll: Obama ranks low among recent incumbents
p.s. how the hell do you spell ractial, racial, wtf??
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All the kings horses and all the kings men won’t be able to put the empire together again. -anonymous
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9:17 pm November 15, 2011
| Crab Apple
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I for one intend to carry extra "supplies" 2012 election night and the following nights.
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9:22 pm November 15, 2011
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No and no.
I hate to break it to you MW, but Obama will win. And, on the remote chance that he loses, no, there will not be riots. Obama will still be in power until January 2013, and it would reflect poorly on his party if he did not throw a bucket of cold water on any riots.
For some reason, now that Perry and Cain have done everything in their power to ruin their chances, the evangelical right has begun to prop-up Newt. Why? I have no idea. But I'm damn sure the right conservative hates Ron Paul more than the left. I know more luke warm democrats that would vote for Ron than I know evangelicals who would support him.
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8:09 am November 16, 2011
| Jarhead
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Never underestimate the republicans ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. If by some slim chance Obama does lose I agree with MW, there will be claims of stolen elections and riots. How would Obama or the democratic party stop them? any attempt on Obama's part to stop them would be viewed by the perpetrators as Obama being "noble".
I think Ron Paul would have a better chance in the general election than in the primary. Newt is the latest "any body but Romney" candidate.
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" When a well packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and it's speaker a raving lunatic." Dresden James
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9:20 am November 16, 2011
| pm97
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I agree that Obama will win. (don't want him to) I agree that IF he loses the forthcoming riots will make the King riots look like a 4 year old's b-day party.
But the riots ARE coming. Race riots too, and religious, see above comment for severity.
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9:54 am November 16, 2011
| MW
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I hate to break it to you MW, but Obama will win.
I said, "if" he loses, which is an assumptive statement of a win. I am of the minority -perhaps not GTA- of people that thinks a republican like Romney or, hell, any other than RP, winning the election will be as negative a result as Obama because they will be clueless as to restoring the republic. Yes, Obama is the great destroyer, but the Republican slate of candidates will not be able to reverse what he's done…. Dr. Paul may not even be able to.
For some reason, now that Perry and Cain have done everything in their power to ruin their chances, the evangelical right has begun to prop-up Newt. Why? I have no idea.
How odd, considering Newt abandoned his formerly "strong" protestant background for Catholocism a few yesrs back. Evangelicals are not fans of the Idol worshiping Catholics… lol.
Ron Paul calls these monthly prop-up candidates the "flavor of the month" and for the most part he's right. Bachman-Perry-Cain-Newt… We will see if his strategy works, which is simply to withstand the whirlwind and claw his way one inch at a time to the top, while his opponents fall off the cliff one by one. I think the chances of it being Romney vs. Paul in the major primaries is real.
Never underestimate the republicans ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
That is simply a product of the Republican voters allowimng the media and establishment to pick their candidate… (McCain 2008 ring a bell?).
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All the kings horses and all the kings men won’t be able to put the empire together again. -anonymous
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2:06 pm November 16, 2011
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I think it' s a big drop in the "Minority" side from nearly 90% bammy had in the election. I think quite a few of folks are starting to leave the "plantation".
I do think the urban areas will see racial unrest but I hope in flyover country it won't be to bad.
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8:31 pm November 16, 2011
| Gallo
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If you fear riots in your city:
Vote early.
On election night stay home.
Call in sick or take a vacation day the day after the election.
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9:17 pm November 16, 2011
| Jarhead
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This year I plan to vote Democrat……early and often
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" When a well packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and it's speaker a raving lunatic." Dresden James
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4:57 am November 18, 2011
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I don't get it…if Obama is doing so bad in the polls (and the economy isn't going to improve anytime soon), why is it a forgone conclusion that he'll win the 2012 election? You would think the Republican's could put George W. or the Devil himself in there and win. This year's just another protest vote for me: I'll vote Ron Paul in the Republican Primary and Libertarian in the General Election (if I vote at all).
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The United States' I grew up in no longer exists…click your heals, Dorothy: you're not in Kansas anymore!!
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7:41 am November 18, 2011
| Jarhead
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Post edited 8:44 am – November 18, 2011 by Jarhead
Pete said:
I don't get it…if Obama is doing so bad in the polls (and the economy isn't going to improve anytime soon), why is it a forgone conclusion that he'll win the 2012 election? You would think the Republican's could put George W. or the Devil himself in there and win. This year's just another protest vote for me: I'll vote Ron Paul in the Republican Primary and Libertarian in the General Election (if I vote at all).
There you go…question answered.
I don't care anymore than anyone else for our choices, but a vote for anyone but the main stream nominee come election day is a vote for Obama, as bad as my distaste for Mitt or Newt I can say I believe either would be light years ahead of the"one".
I'll vote for Ron Paul in the primaries but I don't believe Ron Paul will run in a third party. He has said over and over that he won't and if he were to go back on his word it would prove him just another typical politician. In my mind you either vote for the republican,Obama, or Obama by default.
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" When a well packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and it's speaker a raving lunatic." Dresden James
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10:42 pm November 18, 2011
| MW
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but a vote for anyone but the main stream nominee come election day is a vote for Obama,
Aren't you sick of voting for the lesser of two evils? Aren't you sick of living within the predefined boundaries set by the establishment? These are rhetorical questiona posed to a broader audience than you, Jarhead, or GTA. It goes out to the entire country.
I stopped after voting for McCain even though I wanted RP last go round. Not any more. I'll write his name.
Voting for Newt or Mitt or Pizzaman under such circumstances is a sad commentary to American political life. But, millions will do it, hoping -though knowing otherwise in their hearts- that some good may come of it. 
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All the kings horses and all the kings men won’t be able to put the empire together again. -anonymous
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11:34 pm November 18, 2011
| jamie
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I agree MW I couldn't vote for mcain even though I knew Obama would be a complete disaster as a President. If the repubs think Romney is their guy that's on them. I still won't vote for him! If Obama goes completely full retard as I expect in a second term perhaps folks will wake up. Protest vote and meekly accept what the RNC gives you. Not for me, I think it was P.J O'Rourke said "Don't vote! It just encourages the bastards."
I will vote locally to make my city, county and state as strong as I can but I will not buy into the crap idea of anyone but Obama. I see Newt as a VP but not as president, I had hopes for Cain but he is imploding. I'll vote for Paul even with his naive foreign policy because I think he may do well domestically.
It's a terrible solution, but it's the best I can do at this time.
Mittens is a great politician and he's got great hair but he is a Wall St. guy from jump. Do you think he will regulate his buddies? At least Ron Paul may introduce legislation against the insider trading, killing the Fed and daring congress to vote against it.
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12:03 am November 19, 2011
| Gallo
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Me three, the only one I'll vote for is RP. Don't care for any of the other guys. Regarding the rest of the ticket, straight libertarian.
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8:16 am November 19, 2011
| Jarhead
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MW said:
but a vote for anyone but the main stream nominee come election day is a vote for Obama,
Aren't you sick of voting for the lesser of two evils? Aren't you sick of living within the predefined boundaries set by the establishment? These are rhetorical questiona posed to a broader audience than you, Jarhead, or GTA. It goes out to the entire country.
I stopped after voting for McCain even though I wanted RP last go round. Not any more. I'll write his name.
Voting for Newt or Mitt or Pizzaman under such circumstances is a sad commentary to American political life. But, millions will do it, hoping -though knowing otherwise in their hearts- that some good may come of it. 
You bet…but those are the choices, I agree voting for "anyone but Obama" won't fix the country, but electing another will slow down the process. Even Ron Paul doesn't advocate your plan. It may be possible to work within the republican party and change it but building the libertarian party into a viable alternative is not going to happen….too far to go and not enough time. So go ahead and vote for Obama by default if it makes you feel better. I'll work with what I have,not what I wish I had.
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" When a well packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and it's speaker a raving lunatic." Dresden James
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9:25 am November 19, 2011
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The time to fix the republican party is when they are out of office. Once in, they go back to their old ways and people, having put their candidate of "choice" in power, get complacent.
If the balloon's going to go up, it does not matter who is in office, so I rather make the republicans work a little harder for my pesky vote.
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1:41 pm November 19, 2011
| MW
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JH:
but electing another will slow down the process. Even Ron Paul doesn't advocate your plan. It may be possible to work within the republican party and change it but building the libertarian party into a viable alternative is not going to happen….too far to go and not enough time. So go ahead and vote for Obama by default if it makes you feel better. I'll work with what I have,not what I wish I had.
Electing another will not slow down the process. What evidence can you possibly have to say that? Did Bush slow down the process 01-05? What about 05-09? Ha! a laughable consideration!
Second, Ron Paul doesn't advocate my plan for what? He has said in no uncertain terms that he won't support THEE GOP candidate unless they are on his side of the major issues: military intervention: NO, Sound Money: YES Patriot Act: NO, Torture: NO and others. So, wrong again my furry friend.
I do not sanction the building up of any party, let alone the Libertarian party which I give no money or other support to. I'm against parties, per say. Working within the system to change it is a noble effort, the fruitfulness of which will most likely be measured by the propagation of the ideal of Liberty and the advancement and reestablishment of constitutional fundamentals NOT in successful elections. Why? Because the government is too far gone to be "fixed" within the confines of a system which not only allowed for but encouraged its decline.
Voting for Obama by default? You do realize, don't you, that Romney, Gingrich, Cain and the others are no more than a hair-breadth in difference from Barrack Hussein Obama?
If you don't know that, then you must be letting some preconceived, but comfortable, notion get in the way of truth.
P.S. Regarding the last line of your above quote… pragmatism does not become a Patriot. Observe the following quote:
"I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue." -Barry Goldwater
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All the kings horses and all the kings men won’t be able to put the empire together again. -anonymous
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7:56 pm November 20, 2011
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i knew barry goldwater. barry goldwater was a friend of mine. and you, MW, are no barry goldwater.
just kidding, MW. but you do realize that this quote could be used as a justification for torture, i.e., extremism is no vice, which is one of the things you say you are against (torture), as am i. as i've said before, there are no excuses in a democracy. if the government is s**t it's because the people are s**t. we elect these guys (over and over and over).
government, per se, is just an abstract concept. it is the people who invest it with honor or dishonor, accountability or corruption.
i voted for W in 2000, much to my regret in 2001. since 2003 the republican party has so disgraced itself that it is beyond redemption. if we had a true statesman in the race, he should run as an independent (this is not the same as a third party), and the word "republican" should never be uttered again.
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8:46 pm November 20, 2011
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But we do have a true statesman in the race. His name is Ron Paul. He is the only one debating the principles and not the issues.
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3:54 pm November 22, 2011
| MW
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Extremism in defense of Liberty absolutely rules out the support of Torture. We're talking liberty here not the euphemism of "freedom and democracy" and all the neocon bull#$#& that defends torture to "save american lives".
In a libertarian sense, no one shall be deprived of life, property, assembly or speech among other things. Torture deprives someone of life and property and is usually conducted without formal charges being filed or with proper legal defense (obviously). Even under strict capitol punishment, I sanction only life imprisonment with hard labor. Never anything remotely described as torture or enhanced interrogation techniques.
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All the kings horses and all the kings men won’t be able to put the empire together again. -anonymous
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