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7:33 pm January 28, 2012
| Justin Case
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Here is another take (20 minute video) on why the west rose to dominance over the past 500 years, and why the rest of the world is now catching up. Note that neither race nor religion is a factor (unless you believe either race or religion led to the creation of these prerequisite conditions for prosperity to begin with).
Niall Ferguson: The 6 killer apps of prosperity
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3:18 am January 29, 2012
| druidhouse
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gallo: I don't think you are a racist.
of course i am. you're not paying attention. what am i talking to the wall here?
on another topic, i've seen moneyball 3 times. great fuckin' movie. highly recommend it. even if you have to pay per view it. not a second of cg in it, almost zero action, it's fantastic. aaron sorkin and coke, an unbeatable combination. give the guy a laptop and 20 lines and you've got oscar material on your hands.
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10:16 am January 29, 2012
| Jarhead
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Post edited 10:27 am – January 29, 2012 by Jarhead
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Great find JC
Note that neither race nor religion is a factor (unless you believe either race or religion led to the creation of these prerequisite conditions for prosperity to begin with).
That is exactly what I believe…not religion as a whole, but Christianity and Judaism in particular.
Ferguson said that Muteterrika's correct answer was "laws invented by reason" and where did the ideas for the reasoning behind those laws come from? they came from the Jewish bible.
Ferguson also said "It's the ideas and institutions" and I believe he is 100% correct, but where did the ideas come from? the bible and where did the early institutions come from? the church. It was the church that started almost all of the early universities. Sure early on there was a conflict between science and the churches but the early pioneers and heroes of modern Western science—Copernicus, Galileo, Kepler, Newton, Boyle, and so on—were all serious Christians, if occasionally, as with Newton, Christologically unorthodox
Lets look at Ferguson's six killer apps
1 competition
2 The scientific revolution
3 property rights
4 Modern Medicine
5 The consumer society
6 The work ethic
None of them exclude Christianity
1 competition
2 The scientific revolution…came about due to the institutions (universities) created by the churches and the early Christian scientific pioneers.
3 John Locke's property rights… Ferguson said "not democracy but having the rule of law based property rights" but what does Locke say on the subject?
Locke “The reason why men enter into society is the preservation of their property;
Locke augured for natural rights "God given rights" “Thus the law of Nature stands as an eternal rule to all men, legislators as well as others. The rules that they make for other men’s actions must, as well as their own and other men’s actions, be comformable to the law of Nature—i.e., to the will of God, of which that is a declaration, and the fundamental law of Nature being the preservation of mankind, no human sanction can be good or valid against it” “These are the bounds which the trust is put in them by the society and the law of God and Nature have set to the legislative power of every commonwealth, in all forms of government. First: They are to govern by promulgated established laws, not to be varied in particular cases, but to have one rule for rich and poor, for the favorite at Court, and the countryman at plough.
4 Modern Medicine….I would argue modern medicine cam though the scientific revolution hence the church.
5 The consumer society
6 The work ethic….. another idea from the bible (those who don't work don't eat) and personal property
Ferguson says his six killer apps are "open source" I would say that explains why the rest of the world can prosper using methods and ideas developed in the west at the same time as the west abandons those same ideas.
He says that they can "achieve what the west did only faster" sure that is self evident as they don't have to spend hundreds of years developing science, medicine or new ideas.
Ferguson asks "can you delete these apps" sure you can we are busy doing it.
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" When a well packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and it's speaker a raving lunatic." Dresden James
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10:25 am January 29, 2012
| Jarhead
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Gallo said:
2. JH, I most definitely don't think you're a racist. Never have. You remind me a bit of my grandfather whom if you judged him by his words you'd think he was a little racist, but his generous actions spoke the opposite. Men of a different generation are best judged by their actions than by their words.
3. I don't have a full understanding of the word racism despite its over use in American culture. Nor do I fully understand why it is that bad to make judgement calls based on race. I make my judgement calls based on other parameters (which can be just as bad) simply because where I grew up there were no blacks or other races. Yes, we all have prejudices. We wouldn't be human without them.
As someone that was not born here and had a lot of his formation outside the US, I can tell you the US is the most tolerant country in the world. I personally have never felt discriminated.
Thanks Gallo and I take the fact that I remind you of your grand father a great compliment 
I also criticize whites as quickly as any other race when I think they deserve it….funny thing is I'm never accused of being a racist when I do.
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" When a well packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and it's speaker a raving lunatic." Dresden James
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12:33 pm January 29, 2012
| Justin Case
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Here is yet another take on why private property rights and the rule of law (among other factors) are essential for sustained economic progress. This video is an hour long and provides insight on where we're likely headed next.
Authors@Google: William Bernstein
William Bernstein's The Birth of Plenty is based upon the premise that mankind experienced virtually zero economic growth from the dawn of time until 1820. This provocative book identifies the four conditions necessary for sustained economic progress–property rights, scientific rationalism, capital markets, and communications and transportation technology–and then analyzes their gradual appearance and impact throughout every corner of the globe. The Birth of Plenty explores where the world economy could be headed next; implications of the book's thesis for today's society; and how the absence of one or more of the conditions continues to threaten beleaguered regions of the world.
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8:32 am January 31, 2012
| Jarhead
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Post edited 8:33 am – January 31, 2012 by Jarhead
Obama once again snubs his nose at the American legal system and the Constitution.
Last week Obama turned his back not just on Arizona's Governor Jan Brewer, but also on the laws of the State of Georgia. I closed my column with the observation: "And most of the media has followed along right behind him."
At the time, I had just witnessed an historic hearing that actually discussed the eligibility of the sitting president of the United States to run for a second term. The president had been subpoenaed to appear, and instead of his attorney respectfully following protocol to have that subpoena recalled, both Obama and his attorney, Michael Jablonski, simply failed to show up at all or offer any defense whatsoever.
Obama's behavior yesterday is even more disturbing than Nixon's. Nixon at least respected the judicial branch enough to have his attorneys show up in court and follow procedure[.] … Nixon acknowledged the authority of the judicial branch even while he fought it. Obama, on the other hand, essentially said yesterday that the judicial branch has no power over him. He ordered his attorneys to stay away from the hearing. He didn't petition a higher court in a legitimate attempt to stay the hearing[.] … Rather than respecting the legal process, Obama went around the courts and tried to put political pressure directly on the Georgia Secretary of State. When that failed, he simply ignored the judicial branch completely.
It is disconcerting to see that the president, whose primary duty is to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, has turned his back on the rule of law of one of those states. Especially, as Sunny uncomfortably reminded us, since this is the same president who routinely sidesteps the law or places himself above it.
http://www.americanthinker.com…..qus_thread
What if Georgia finds him ineligible to be on their ballot, will other states follow suit? and if they do what's next? Obama suspending elections? or refusing to leave at the end of his term.
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" When a well packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and it's speaker a raving lunatic." Dresden James
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3:58 pm January 31, 2012
| MW
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Obama knows something we dont, or knows something we don't think will happen soon. Or maybe we do know what will happen in 2012 but are afraid to admit it.
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All the kings horses and all the kings men won’t be able to put the empire together again. -anonymous
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7:12 pm February 6, 2012
| Jarhead
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Post edited 7:15 pm – February 6, 2012 by Jarhead
And so it begins, first the FBI identifies threats then they move to address them.
FBI warns of threat from anti-government extremists
(Reuters) – Anti-government extremists opposed to taxes and regulations pose a growing threat to local law enforcement officers in the United States, the FBI warned on Monday.
These extremists, sometimes known as "sovereign citizens," believe they can live outside any type of government authority, FBI agents said at a news conference.
The extremists may refuse to pay taxes, defy government environmental regulations and believe the United States went bankrupt by going off the gold standard.
Routine encounters with police can turn violent "at the drop of a hat," said Stuart McArthur, deputy assistant director in the FBI's counterterrorism division.
"We thought it was important to increase the visibility of the threat with state and local law enforcement," he said.
In May 2010, two West Memphis, Arkansas, police officers were shot and killed in an argument that developed after they pulled over a "sovereign citizen" in traffic.
Last year, an extremist in Texas opened fire on a police officer during a traffic stop. The officer was not hit.
Legal convictions of such extremists, mostly for white-collar crimes such as fraud, have increased from 10 in 2009 to 18 each in 2010 and 2011, FBI agents said.
"We are being inundated right now with requests for training from state and local law enforcement on sovereign-related matters," said Casey Carty, an FBI supervisory special agent.
FBI agents said they do not have a tally of people who consider themselves "sovereign citizens."
J.J. MacNab, a former tax and insurance expert who is an analyst covering the sovereign movement, has estimated that it has about 100,000 members.
Sovereign members often express particular outrage at tax collection, putting Internal Revenue Service employees at risk.
"defy government environmental regulations and believe the United States went bankrupt by going off the gold standard"
Yep….that would be me.
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" When a well packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and it's speaker a raving lunatic." Dresden James
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7:18 pm February 6, 2012
| jamie
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18 convictions in a nations of 300 million people
EVERYBODY PANIC!!
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11:04 am February 7, 2012
| Pete
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Jarhead said:
"defy government environmental regulations and believe the United States went bankrupt by going off the gold standard"
Yep….that would be me.
That description of what they consider a threat is shocking!! I think we can all see where this is going.
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The United States' I grew up in no longer exists…click your heals, Dorothy: you're not in Kansas anymore!!
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7:50 pm February 7, 2012
| Justin Case
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It's a good reason to remain gray. I see a very great danger of the United States (and much of the rest of the developed world) going through a major "economic downsizing" over the next decade or two. It's possible that we'll print out way out of this mess, but it's possible we won't either.
If there is widespread civil unrest as a result of a collapse, I suspect governments will "shoot first and talk later" when it comes to trying to maintain order. If we get to that point, I would rather be the "invisible citizen" rather than the "sovereign citizen" for my own survival.
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8:07 pm February 7, 2012
| Jarhead
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Post edited 8:13 pm – February 7, 2012 by Jarhead
jamie said:
18 convictions in a nations of 300 million people
18 convictions… there is a reason for them making so much of so little…… 100,000 members? members of what? is there a Sovereign man society? must be a pretty law abiding group.
"We thought it was important to increase the visibility of the threat"
Routine encounters with police can turn violent "at the drop of a hat
Internal Revenue Service employees at risk.
Identify, vilify, isolate, what comes next?
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" When a well packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and it's speaker a raving lunatic." Dresden James
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8:15 pm February 7, 2012
| Justin Case
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Jarhead said:
is there a Sovereign man society? must be a pretty law abiding group.
Someone took the trouble of reserving the domain name and using it to publish regularly: http://www.sovereignman.com/
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8:35 pm April 18, 2012
| Jarhead
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A bill already passed by the Senate and set to be rubber stamped by the House would make it mandatory for all new cars in the United States to be fitted with black box data recorders from 2015 onwards.
MAP-21), calls for “Mandatory Event Data Recorders” to be installed in all new automobiles and legislates for civil penalties to be imposed against individuals for failing to do so.
“Not later than 180 days after the date of enactment of this Act, the Secretary shall revise part 563 of title 49, Code of Federal Regulations, to require, beginning with model year 2015, that new passenger motor vehicles sold in the United States be equipped with an event data recorder that meets the requirements under that part,” states the bill.
Although the text of legislation states that such data would remain the property of the owner of the vehicle, the government would have the power to access it in a number of circumstances, including by court order, if the owner consents to make it available, and pursuant to an investigation or inspection conducted by the Secretary of Transportation.
Given the innumerable examples of both government and industry illegally using supposedly privacy-protected information to spy on individuals, this represents the slippery slope to total Big Brother surveillance of every American’s transport habits and location data.
Mandatory ‘Big Brother’ Black Boxes In All New Cars From 2015
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" When a well packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and it's speaker a raving lunatic." Dresden James
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9:32 pm April 18, 2012
| pm97
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There is already a "version" of this being used by an insurance company. Can't think of the company's name, but "Flo" is the spokesperson.. It is a device that is plugged into your car and lets them know how safe a driver you are. This is an event recorder. Weirded me out the first time I saw the commercial.
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1:24 am April 19, 2012
| jamie
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It's Progressive Insurance
I use them for my RV insurance as USAA does not cover RV's. I'd like to see them put a box on that old 76 Ford.
I tell you I love my Kia Mini-van but with the new emmision testing laws, use of data recorders and the threat of EMP I'm going to start looking for an 1972 and older van, or Ford Bronco type rig. Plus the Alphabets and cops have those little mini-EMP devices for shorting out a vehicles components if they can get it close enough to zap a rig.
Mom saw an older rig with 4x4 and and either a propane or LNG. I think it was LNG conversion. I have my Trike and I'll start using it more as my transportation now that the weather is better.
Heck, I could probably sell the Kia, use the bike in good weather months and use my RV or a rental for longer trips and still save money for the year.
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7:02 am April 19, 2012
| Jarhead
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There has already been several cases of cops catching "bad guys" with On-Star. But what if we are the bad guys they are after? I'll never by a car equipped with the "black box".
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" When a well packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and it's speaker a raving lunatic." Dresden James
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8:09 am April 19, 2012
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And in 2014 we get mandatory back-up cameras courtesy of the NHTSA.
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7:48 am April 20, 2012
| Jarhead
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Zoning the ocean
President Barack Obama has an ambitious plan for Washington bureaucrats to take command of the oceans—and with it control over much of the nation’s energy, fisheries, even recreation in a move described by lawmakers as the ultimate power grab to zone the seas.
The massive undertaking also includes control over key inland waterways and rivers that reach hundreds of miles upstream, and began with little fanfare when Obama signed an executive order in 2010 to protect the aquatic environment.
“This one to me could be the sleeping power grab that Americans will wake up to one day and wonder what the heck hit them,” said Rep. Bill Flores (R –Texas).
“This is pure administrative fiat,” said Sen. David Vitter (R –La.). “It’s very troubling.”
“This is purely a unilateral administrative action with no real congressional input or oversight,” Vitter said. “I think it clearly threatens to have a big impact on a lot of industry, starting with energy, oil and gas, and fishing.”
But in his zeal to curb sea sprawl, lawmakers say the president’s executive order also gives Washington officialdom unprecedented reach to control land use as well.
“The order says they shall develop a scheme for oversight of oceans and all the sources thereof,” Flores said. “So you could have a snowflake land on Pikes Peak and ultimately it’s going to wind up in the water, so as a result they could regulate on every square inch of U.S. soil.”
http://www.humanevents.com/art…..p?id=50880
“This is pure administrative fiat,”
But there is no difference between Romney and Obama…..so I guess I'll vote for Ron Paul in protest.
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" When a well packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and it's speaker a raving lunatic." Dresden James
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7:48 am April 20, 2012
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Zoning the ocean
President Barack Obama has an ambitious plan for Washington bureaucrats to take command of the oceans—and with it control over much of the nation’s energy, fisheries, even recreation in a move described by lawmakers as the ultimate power grab to zone the seas.
The massive undertaking also includes control over key inland waterways and rivers that reach hundreds of miles upstream, and began with little fanfare when Obama signed an executive order in 2010 to protect the aquatic environment.
“This one to me could be the sleeping power grab that Americans will wake up to one day and wonder what the heck hit them,” said Rep. Bill Flores (R –Texas).
“This is pure administrative fiat,” said Sen. David Vitter (R –La.). “It’s very troubling.”
“This is purely a unilateral administrative action with no real congressional input or oversight,” Vitter said. “I think it clearly threatens to have a big impact on a lot of industry, starting with energy, oil and gas, and fishing.”
But in his zeal to curb sea sprawl, lawmakers say the president’s executive order also gives Washington officialdom unprecedented reach to control land use as well.
“The order says they shall develop a scheme for oversight of oceans and all the sources thereof,” Flores said. “So you could have a snowflake land on Pikes Peak and ultimately it’s going to wind up in the water, so as a result they could regulate on every square inch of U.S. soil.”
http://www.humanevents.com/art…..p?id=50880
“This is pure administrative fiat,”
But there is no difference between Romney and Obama…..so I guess I'll vote for Ron Paul in protest.
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" When a well packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and it's speaker a raving lunatic." Dresden James
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