Post edited 8:22 am – January 8, 2012 by Jarhead

Right you are Crabby, Obama has used people like FDR and Lincoln as a template for his plans. Both ignored the constitution when it suited them. Obama in now doing the same and since they got by with it he feels he will too.

Pete even here in the south I grew up being taught Lincoln was a hero who saved the union. Slavery was the only reason taught for the war. But as I looked into it, I found the north was using the south though cotton tariffs on exported cotton as a way to pay for most of the north's growth. When southern states started complaining and talking succession the government used the anti-slavery issue as a means to gain support for their handling of the south. It had far more to do with money and taxation than freeing the slaves.  

I wish I believed in Hell because that's were those god-awful people who first brought slaves to America need to be. Can you imagine what America would be like had we never had slavery or a civil war?

Why is the West declining?

Is the biggest threat the economic situation or are drugs, crime, multiculturalism, racial tensions and declining moral values a more serious threat? It seems to me the United States  and even more so Europe is going the way of Rome.    

This is one of the main reasons I won't vote for a third party candidate and ensure an Obama victory. If Obama is allowed to appoint one more supreme court justice we can kiss the US goodbye. Courts, though they are supposed to protect the Constitution, have been the number one enemy of liberty.  

The fired minister — who also taught secular subjects — claimed discrimination in employment. The Obama administration, always looking for opportunities to undermine the bedrock of First Amendment religious liberty, eagerly agreed.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion…..=obnetwork

Pete said:

Jarhead said:

 Slavery was over, the southern states needed time to end it peaceably, legally and orderly. Race then as now was used as an excuse for governmental power.  

Jarhead: need some references for that statement if you don't mind. I'm not a big Lincoln fan, but I have a hard time believing that the North's sole intention for preventing the South from seceding was to preserve the Union. You have to go back and think just how appalling slavery really is, especially if you have a love of liberty, and then seeing your fellow man 'owned' and forced to live a life against his own will. I can't stomach that, and I can't see the Northern States allowing it either; meaning: I won't recognize your 'right' to secede if all it means is that you want to leave the Union in order to retain your 'right' to enslave. Makes me ill!!Put it this way: if my neighbor enslaved another human being as their servant, kept them locked up in their house, never letting them see the light of day; but said to me "You may not agree with what I'm doing, but between the 2 of us, we can still be neighbors and friends"…Fuc! that!! He's getting a bullet in his head, right to secede or NOT!!!

Here is a review of "Red Republicans and Lincoln's Marxists: Marxism in the Civil War" from Amazon"s web site.

"The Union is Dissolved!" This was the Charleston Mercury headline for the evening of December 20, 1860. South Carolina had seceded from the Union. The United States were no longer united and would never be truly united again. 

South Carolina and the 10 other Southern states who followed her in seceding from the Union were not traitors. Each state belonging to the Confederacy had left the old Union the same way it had joined – by majority vote of elected representatives. According to our founding fathers and authors Walter D. Kennedy and Al Benson, Jr., Red Republicans and Lincoln's Marxists, Southerners were simply exercising their Constitutional right to form a new government. 

By the late 1850s, the heavily populated, mostly industrial Northern states were trying to expand the powers of the federal government in order to benefit their industrial benefactors. This they did at the expense of the less populated, mostly agricultural Southern states. After the 1860 election of a big government radical who promised numerous unconstitutional changes, 11 Southern states decided it was time to form a new nation, one whose federal government did not exceed the powers granted it by their constitution – which, by the way – was nearly identical to the old one. 

There was one difference, as Kennedy and Benson point out. Northern banks and businesses profiting in slavery had refused to allow an end to their profitable African slave trade. The Confederacy put an end it. Those who claim Southerners left the Union because they feared Mr. Lincoln might end slavery argue a lie that has been propagated for 145 years. The so-called Civil War was never about slavery, and Mr. Lincoln's all-powerful federal government didn't free the slaves. It bought them. 

Kennedy and Benson's research reveals some remarkable facts about Abe Lincoln, his political party and his genocidal army. Lincoln and his party, ironically called Republican, didn't interpret the Constitution the same way our founding fathers did and were willing to do whatever was necessary to put an end to "states' rights," even if it meant killing every Southern man, woman and child, white or black, free or slave. 
A republic is a nation ruled by law, but the new Republican Party and its leaders would prove to be contemptuous of both state and federal law, especially the U.S. Constitution. And as Kennedy and Benson discovered, those who formed the basis of the Republican Party had a lot to do with its big government ideology. 

In 1848 there were 18 socialist/communist uprisings throughout Europe, uprisings that had the sympathy of a young lawyer in Illinois. These revolutions all failed, so their leaders fled Europe for the refuge of the United States, settling primarily in the northeast and Midwest, taking occupations in journalism, education and politics – the same professions still dominated by leftwing radicals today. Google the names Friedrich Anneke, Carl Schurz, Franz Sigel or Joseph Weydemeyer, and see what information you get. 

These socialists/communists had no love for the U.S. Constitution and only venomous loathing for the Holy Bible, but they made this country their home and the new Republican Party their party. Many of these "Forty-Eighters" were protégés of Fredrick Engels and Karl Marx himself, who wrote at least two letters to Comrade Lincoln and even wrote a eulogy for him upon his assassination. 

I've read where three of every five Southern men who survived the war at all were missing an arm, leg, eye or some other body part. Many returned home to no home at all, finding it either burned or confiscated by carpetbaggers or scallywags. To add to this insult, what families could be re-united found their children being herded off to public schools where they could be re-educated, "cured" of the thought crimes of believing in states' rights or any other strict interpretation of the U.S. Constitution and especially the Holy Bible.

For all our losses though, Northerners actually lost more. That's right. I'm not talking about the fact that they suffered more battle casualties. The people in the supposedly victorious North to this day think they won something, when in fact they lost everything. Their precious Union died that December evening in 1860 and despite the best efforts of their bloody bayonets, there is still no unity! Oh, and they didn't free the slaves either. They joined them. 

Did these socialists/communists really have an influence on the U.S. government? Consider these four major objectives of the communist party and think about where we are today: 
1. An indivisible, all-powerful federal government. States' rights? 
2. A heavy, progressive income tax. "From each according to his ability to each according to his need." 
3. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes. What happens when you don't pay your property tax? To whom then does "your" property really belong? 
4. Free and compulsory public education. Google Legally STUPiD. 

See what I mean! Buy a copy of Red Republicans and learn the truth you'll never read in a newspaper, hear on network news or learn about in public schools. I can't say enough to commend all the scholarship behind this book, and I encourage every freedom-loving American to read it. 

RC Murray 
author of Legally STUPiD: Why Johnny doesn't have to read 

I haven't read the book myself ….but I intend to. The reviewer makes some very valid points himself.