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1:02 pm
January 6, 2012


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Post edited 3:23 pm – January 6, 2012 by MW


Well, here's proof positive he's a big government "conservative":

 

Santorum had already dismissed limited government in theory. Promoting his book, he told NPR in 2006:

"One of the criticisms I make is to what I refer to as more of a libertarianish right. You know, the left has gone so far left and the right in some respects has gone so far right that they touch each other. They come around in the circle. This whole idea of personal autonomy, well I don’t think most conservatives hold that point of view. Some do. They have this idea that people should be left alone, be able to do whatever they want to do, government should keep our taxes down and keep our regulations low, that we shouldn’t get involved in the bedroom, we shouldn’t get involved in cultural issues. You know, people should do whatever they want. Well, that is not how traditional conservatives view the world and I think most conservatives understand that individuals can’t go it alone. That there is no such society that I am aware of, where we’ve had radical individualism and that it succeeds as a culture."

 

Uh..seriously? What about the United States of America. Has this guy ever read the Declaration or Constitution. Hell, the Magna Carta of medieval Britain???

He's a non-starter.

 

Find the audio here:

http://www.npr.org/templates/s…..Id=4784905

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1:25 pm
January 6, 2012


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That's the catholic in him.

3:45 pm
January 6, 2012


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http://www.politico.com/blogs/…..09895.html

 

new Ron Paul attack ad. Pretty nasty.smilesmilesmilesmile

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4:39 pm
January 6, 2012


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Politico servers are overloaded.  Can't play video

4:42 pm
January 6, 2012


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A list of "Rick's" votes for BIG government:

 

http://www.ronpaul2012.com/201…..-santorum/

 

Lets see how fast we can send his poll numbers back to 3-4%! lol

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6:42 pm
January 6, 2012


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The problem with Big Government is that it often makes matters worse.  During The Great Depression, for example, the FDR administration decided to regulate the economy very aggressively in the hope of getting it going again.  It went after a family of "small fry chicken pluckers" in New York City and convicted them of violating the government's new economic rules.  Luckily in this case, the U.S. Supreme overturned the conviction and threw out one of the bad programs.

The Forgotten Man by Amity Shlaes

Throughout this volume, Shlaes makes a brief not for those on the receiving end of government programs, to whom FDR constantly appealed, but rather for the Americans who received no such benefits but had to pay for them with taxes and the erosion of their freedom. Such “forgotten” men and women, as Willkie said, wanted not just benefits from government but the liberty “to take part in our great American adventure.”

Shlaes’s keenest example of this phenomenon is the Schechter family of Brooklyn, who ran a kosher-chicken business. The Schechters were prosecuted by the Roosevelt administration for selling “sick” chickens in violation of the National Recovery Act (NRA). The aim of the law was to boost wages and hold down prices by regulating various competitive practices that the New Dealers blamed for overproduction. The bureaucrats tasked with enforcing the NRA targeted “middle men” like the Schechters, who facilitated the exchange between producers and consumers—in this case, by buying chickens and preparing them for sale. The agents investigating their business did not understand or did not care that, in accusing them of selling below-standard chickens, they were also implying that the Schechters did not maintain a kosher slaughterhouse and therefore were not good Jews—a doubly offensive suggestion to these Orthodox businessmen.

The trial record includes some hilarious exchanges between the Schecters and the clumsy New Deal agents who, the defendants said, “don’t know from a chicken.” Though convicted at trial, the Schechters pressed on with appeals, eventually winning vindication when the Supreme Court not only threw out their conviction but also voided the NRA as an unconstitutional delegation of power from Congress to the executive. Theirs was an unlikely victory against one of the New Deal’s most aggressive initiatives.

What's interesting about The New Deal (i.e., the belief that collectivism is better than individualism) is how it came about.  Many of the government bureaucrats in charge of these programs had gone to the Soviet Union in the early 1920s and heard Stalin's pitch about the advantages of collectivism.  Stalin may have been a commie, but he was also a very good snake oil salesman.  He snowed the young Americans and they left believing the propaganda.  (The book names names and gives examples.)

I want to believe the United States has learned from this disastrous experience, but I can never be too sure anymore.  The news never seems to change; just the names, dates, and locations change over the decades, but the underlying problems remain for new generations to discover and handle.

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11:05 pm
January 6, 2012


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Isn't FDR the one who threatened to appoint more judges to the supreme court if the court kept ruling against the New Deal programs?

 

I recently heard Newt pull the same threat on a debate.

1:26 am
January 7, 2012


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Post edited 1:30 am – January 7, 2012 by Jedi


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I think we'll be seeing his family react this way again soon after SC.

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10:15 am
January 7, 2012


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THAT was after his senate defeat back in '06 I think. Not one to make fun of a feller's family, but they look like, well, nevermind.

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10:22 am
January 7, 2012


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The kids look posed. Especially the one with the doll.

2:47 pm
January 7, 2012


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pm97 said:

The kids look posed. Especially the one with the doll.

 

No doubt: quiet disgusting to turn your own family into a fraud! Here's another look at Santorum the slug referring to his past record:

As you'll see from my ad, Rick Santorum is anything but a conservative.  Just consider his record, which includes:

***     Padding his own wallet as a corporate lobbyist at the expense of taxpayers;

***     Voting to RAISE the debt ceiling five times;

***     Voting to DOUBLE the federal Department of Education;

***     Voting with liberals like Ted Kennedy on multiple occasions in support of Big Labor's radical agenda;

***     Urging more federal involvement in housing with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac;

***     Voting to create a brand new, unfunded entitlement, Medicare Part D, the largest expansion of entitlement spending since President Lyndon Johnson – creating $16 TRILLION in unfunded liabilities;

***     Endorsing liberal Big Government RINOs like Arlen Specter over conservatives.  Of course, Specter later became a Democrat and worked hand-in-glove with President Obama to pass his radical agenda;

***     Voting for Sarbanes-Oxley, which imposed dramatic new job-killing accounting regulations on businesses;

***     Supporting raising taxes on oil companies, which directly costs Americans more money out of their pockets at the gas pump;

***     Voting for gun control;

***     Voting to give Social Security benefits to illegal aliens, while voting against an additional 1,000 border patrol agents;

***     Voting to give $25 million in foreign aid to North Korea;

***     Voting to send hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars to Planned Parenthood – the nation's largest provider of abortion – and hand out hundreds of billions of dollars in foreign aid to enemies of Israel.

But unlike many of my other establishment opponents, Rick Santorum isn't even trying to sweep his Big Government record under the rug.

He's proud of it!

I got the above quote from Ron Paul.

The United States' I grew up in no longer exists…click your heals, Dorothy: you're not in Kansas anymore!!

3:55 pm
January 7, 2012


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Post edited 8:30 am – January 8, 2012 by Jarhead


When Sarah Palin, during the post Iowa media spin feast, warned GOP leaders to not "marginalize" the Ron Paul supporters, she was looking ahead to the greatest challenge faced by whoever captures the nomination.

 

http://townhall.com/columnists…..ily_broken

 

Ron Paul Slays Newt: 'When I was drafted, I was married and had two kids — and I went'… 

I think I'll go send Ron Paul another check.

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10:52 pm
January 10, 2012


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Looks like NH listened to the Orchard. Santorum got screwed.

12:02 am
January 11, 2012


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Yes, indeed. Harder to ignore now. More will join his team because he looks a little more"electable."

 

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