Post edited 6:40 pm – January 12, 2012 by Gallo

So do we preemptively attack Iran on the off chance that they have or are planning on having WMDs?  That didn't work too well with Iraq.  Do we let Israel drag us into war if they preemptively attack Iran?  When does it stop?  If war will be the foreign policy of the US going forth, then we can hardly speak about liberty without biting our tongue.  Since 9/11 we have lost more liberty domestically on account of wars in the middle east.  The middle east still remains the same hell hole it was ten years ago (even worse and less stable) while Americans have to arrive two hours early to catch a flight.  It makes no sense to stay the course.

I don't dismiss either of your positions, but is there not a better solution than a perpetual state of war? 

Gallo said:

So do we preemptively attack Iran on the off chance that they have or are planning on having WMDs?  That didn't work too well with Iraq.  Do we let Israel drag us into war if they preemptively attack Iran?  When does it stop?  If war will be the foreign policy of the US going forth, then we can hardly speak about liberty without biting our tongue.  Since 9/11 we have lost more liberty domestically on account of wars in the middle east.  The middle east still remains the same hell hole it was ten years ago (even worse and less stable) while Americans have to arrive two hours early to catch a flight.  It makes no sense to stay the course.

 

I don't dismiss either of your positions, but is there not a better solution than a perpetual state of war? 

Of course there's a better solution…a perpetual state of peace. BUT that will not happen any time soon and keep in mind the hell hole of the middle east has existed for several thousand years. This is all about "the elite" (those that consider themselves better than the common man) controling the common man. The "terrorists" are doing nothing any differently than what was done to them in the name of crusade. ironically in the name of the same god as the crusades as well. I agree with you in that we are looseing our liberty. But that's the point. To control us. I have never understood this. (and I've said this before in other posts) Why do some people NEED to control others? Obviously part of they answer is to get what they want. The only way I can see this ending is for those of us that fight the wars for "them", is to stop. WE become less dependent on "them", BY CHOICE. Most people tho' want to be taken care of by someone else so they don't have to take respesibility for their own actions and choices. How do we stop in our current position? We can't. Simple because the "terrorists" have been taught that the ONLY solution is to kill us. We have to be dead for them to win. There is no compromise on this point for them. WE HAVE TO BE DEAD! So, now the decision…defend our lives in our streets, which destroys our buildings and kills our children or defend our lives in their streets. I vote their streets. No it's not what is best but it is the better of the current choioces. Unless they withdraw, then we withdraw. But that's not gonna happen either.

So we prep. Because it is now only a matter of months (weeks?) before the "terrorists" continue their fight on our soil. Our country is dead. Long live the country.

warm fuzzy feelin here!!!!

Here is an article penned by Pat Buchanan: "Last May, Ron Paul filed his financial disclosure form, and The Wall Street Journal enlisted financial analyst William Bernstein to scrutinize his investments. The article includes this:

“Paul’s portfolio isn’t merely different,” said an astonished Journal, “it’s shockingly different.”

Twenty-one percent of his $2.4 to $5.5 million was in real estate, 14 percent in cash. He owns no bonds. Only 0.1 percent is invested in stocks, and Paul bought these “short,” betting the price will plunge. Every other nickel is sunk into gold and silver mining companies.

Bernstein “had never seen such an extreme bet on economic catastrophe,” said the Journal.

“This portfolio,” said Bernstein, “is a half step away from a cellar-full of canned goods and 9-millimeter rounds.”

[JWR's Comments: Hooray for Ron Paul! The interesting thing is that Mr. Bernstein didn't mention atually seeing Congeressman Paul's basement. It probably is full of canned goods and ammo. Though I doubt that Ron Paul is a 9 milly kinda guy. He's strikes me as more of a red, white and blue .45 ACP shooter.]