I see it happening somewhat differently!

Iran and Isreal have a nuke exchange, Russia sits and condemns yet now they are the leading oil producer in the world. USA sits out the exchange a probably tries to protect Saudi Arabia and Europe while Rusia and China play the "Great Game" ala Britain and Russia did in the 1800's. Chisa and Russia seem to be allies like Russia and Germany were in 1939

A third party canidate splits the vote and Obama wins with less than 50% ala Bill Clinton. Biden resigns or is made the fall guy for the Obama administration and Hillary is tapped as replacement VP. 22 nd ammendment is revoked so president can hold more than 2 terms, but Obama is gone and Hillary takes over as the Dem nominee. I think the PTBs wil move to a democracy or direct elections by popular vote.

Just a thought how it plays out.

Post edited 11:18 pm – November 9, 2011 by MW

Iran and Isreal have a nuke exchange,

That will be difficult seeing how Iran has no nuclear weapons. Hell, people they have to ship their crude overseas to get it refined to gasoline. You really think they'll be able to develop, let alone field more even a handful of small nukes??? Israel has hundreds, plus an advanced airforce and anti-ballistic missile systems up and down its borders. Not to mention an intelligence service that makes the CIA look silly.

And another thing, please don't tell me any of you guys trust the IAEA (int'l atomic energy agency) to give valid reports? Since when does 'our side' buy into anything an international agency says??? Let alone our government's intelligence agencies? They all pay homage to the banksters and elite power structure. Wake up!!!

Almost a decade ago, Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, a former president whom many diplomats consider a pragmatist — declared, “The use of an atomic bomb against Israel would totally destroy Israel, while the same against the Islamic world would only cause damage. Such a scenario is not inconceivable.” On Feb. 14, 2005, Ayatollah Mohammad Baqer Kharrazi, the head of Iranian Hezbollah, declared, “We are able to produce atomic bombs and we will do that.”

I am able to produce nukes too, and if I nuke the Jarhead household, Jarhead will be destroyed but if the Winters household is nukes, it will only be damaged.

There, now I need to be sanctioned, invaded and bombed. Don't forget, the United States is the only country who has atomically annhilated a foe in time of war. And that was not defense either.

When will you ostriches look up and see the truth, the U.S. empire manipulates world events to expand its hegemony and consolidate its power as lone superpower. Iran is not a threat unless we provoke it. Israel is more of a threat to us than Iran. They have weapons that can reach the US and do major damage. Stop laughing while I qualify that… Iran is as likely to nuke Israel as Israel is to nuke the U.S.

Post edited 1:02 pm – November 11, 2011 by MW

The problem with you and MW is that you look at this with logic. Logic has nothing to do with it. The Mullahs believe death brings them everything they could ever hope for….for eternity, to fail to act brings only shame.

Wrong. I have talked with Al Qaeda leaders in person through prison bars… (a taliban spokesman, an al qaeda logistics man and a minor Bahranian prince to name a few). I have listened in to their conversations through interpreters, observed interrogations and found out the truth of the matter. Pay attention to my next statement:

This religious stuff is a front that the hierarchy use to control and manipulate followers.

The mullahs are from the same stock. They believe more in maintaining power than fulfilling scriptural prophecy. Its the taliban minions and suicide bomber level people that are the believers. Same with the crusades, it was the low level grunts that believed they were getting absolution and salvation by participating in the holy wars. The nobility were in for money, land, power and prestige. As was the pope, Sultans, Kalifah's, etc..

The paramount concern for people in power, especially entrenched powers, is maintaining and expanding that power. The nuke attack as stated previously will never materialize, not preimptively. Of course a cornered animal does what is in its nature. Human nature does not change.