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8:45 am
September 2, 2010
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Crab Apple
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http://widget.newsinc.com/full…..ttlepi_top
Sheriffs office Deputies taser 64 year old man in his living room because he won't go to the hospital or submit to arrest (they barged in after the paramedics responded to a call about a fall he took earlier)
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9:16 am
September 2, 2010
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fifteenfifty
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This is my personal favorite excessive use of force tasering incident to date:
http://carlosmiller.com/2009/0…..-her-head/
Frankly I'm more worried about police than criminals.
-B
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10:08 am
September 2, 2010
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EN
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This taser thing is getting quite out of hand. When it was first widely distributed it was rarely used. Now God help you if they don't like you and you're not defferential enough.
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"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex… It takes a touch of genius to move in the opposite direction." Albert Einstien
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1:54 pm
September 2, 2010
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Jarhead
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That is unbelievable, do the cops have a right to come in your house uninvited? Do they not have to leave when asked to if they have no warrants or reason to be there in the first place. The man is suing and I hope he wins. The police in question should be in jail and lose their badges.
Here is another example of the police being fools.
Lonnie Tinsley of El Reno, Ok made a nearly fatal mistake last December 22 when he went to check on his grandma, Lona Vernon.
Concerned that Lona hadn’t taken her medications, Lonnie called 911 in the expectation that an emergency medical technician would be dispatched to the apartment to evaluate the bedridden 86-year-old women.
Instead, that call for help was answered by nearly a dozen armed tax-feeders employed by the El Reno Police Department.
Understandably alarmed — and probably more than a little disgusted — by the presence of uninvited armed strangers in her home, Lona ordered them to leave. This directive, issued by a fragile female octogenarian confined to a hospital-style bed and tethered to an oxygen tank, was interpreted as “aggressive” behavior by Officer Thomas Duran, who ordered one of his associates : “Taser her!”
“Don’t taze my granny!” exclaimed Tinsley.According to a lawsuit filed in U.S. Distric Court, Tinsley’s “obstructive” behavior prompted the police to threaten him with their tasers. He was then was assaulted, removed from the room, thrown to the floor, handcuffed, and detained in a police car. At this point, the heroes in blue turned their attention to Lona.
The tactical situation was daunting; at this point, the police had only a 10-1 advantage over a subject who — according to Duran’s official report — had taken an “aggressive posture” in her hospital bed. The sacred imperative of “officer safety” dictated that the subject be thoroughly softened up in order to minimize resistance.
Accordingly, one of the officers approached Lona and “stepped on her oxygen hose until she began to suffer oxygen deprivation,” narrates the complaint, based on Lona’s account. One of the officers then shot her with a taser, but the connection wasn’t solid. A second fired his taser, “striking her to the left of the midline of her upper chest, and applied high voltage, causing burns to her chest, extreme pain,” and unconsciousness. Lona was then handcuffed with sufficient ruthlessness to tear the soft flesh of her forearms, causing her to bleed.
After her wounds were treated at a local hospital, Lona was confined for six days in the psychiatric ward at the insistence of her deranged assailants from the El Reno Police Department.
It has long been established that the worst thing to do in an emerency is to call the police. In this case, Lonnie Tinsley didn’t call the police, yet they barged in anyway and quite nearly "helped" his grandma to death.
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" The Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." John Adams
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9:06 pm
September 2, 2010
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pm97
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fiftee
Frankly I'm more worried about police than criminals.
-B
my best friend for thirty years has been a cop for twenty of those years. My wife worked as a dispatcher when I met her. Several of my current friends are cops. I am more worried about cops post SHTF than I am others. Most (not all) have an attitude that they have a god given right to be in charge and tell you what to do.
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9:32 pm
September 2, 2010
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Clark
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Post edited 9:38 pm – September 2, 2010 by Clark
I had just finished watching the video Crab Apple posted when I posted this on another thread yesterday, and the words of T.P. still seem to ring hollow:
Thomas Paine said, "…the necessity of establishing some form of government to supply the defect of moral virtue." 
As if…
Only, it's not a funny HA-HA, it's the other kind… as that old man and the others probably don't feel like they've been cured of a defect of moral virtue, not society either. Yet the perceived solution is to focus on the individuals involved rather than the bigger picture of who is the master and who is the servant and if there's really even a need for a servant or a master.
Why not individual liberty and real property rights in place of both? It appeared to worked quite well once before.
Maybe if they just taser more 10 and 12 year old's things will seem different? Or a few more pregnant women, and a few more grandmothers? Once it becomes more common everybody will just accept it as with so many other encroachments the representatives of the master makes upon the servants?  Rule of mob, not rule of law? Mob law rules?
pm97, this bit of reality seems to support what you're saying:
"Showtime Syndrome" Strikes Las Vegas
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8:56 am
September 3, 2010
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pm97
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I was having probs w/my puter when I was making my last post and was not able to finish my thought.
A person that is trying to survive we call a criminal will be easy to ID. When he/she attacks you it will be obvious. When a person with a badge is trying to survive they will "hide" behind the badge and take what you have or shoot you trying. If you defend yourself against them, are you committing a crime? Yes we have a right, either constitutionally or by God or nature, to defend ourselves, but think of the mess and the huge grey area(don't really know how to describe this sitch) surrounding this scenario.
Anyone with thoughts?
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9:05 am
September 3, 2010
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Jarhead
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Post edited 9:06 am – September 3, 2010 by Jarhead
I too have a few cop friends, they and their friends used to hang around my shop. They were great guys, to me, we were friends, but the stories they shared with each other made my blood run cold.
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" The Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." John Adams
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9:14 am
September 3, 2010
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pm97
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Jarhead said:
I too have a few cop friends, they and their friends used to hang around my shop. They were great guys, to me, we were friends, but the stories they shared with each other made my blood run cold.
Yeah, I know what you mean.
A study was done some years back. Two volunteers. One hooked to electro shock equipment, the other with the button to do the shocking. The results were that the more the second vol did the shocking the more he/she became imune/less sympethetic to the first's pain. They used this experiment to explian, in part, the phenomenon of the Germas torturing people during WWII. I think it applies to cops as well.
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11:50 am
September 3, 2010
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Pete
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Jarhead said:
I too have a few cop friends, they and their friends used to hang around my shop. They were great guys, to me, we were friends, but the stories they shared with each other made my blood run cold.
Curious, Jarhead: what type of stories are you referring too? The type where they were in life and death situations or the 'police indiffernce/brutality' scenarios? I know they were your friends so I don't mean to be too nosy.
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The United States' I grew up in no longer exists…click your heals, Dorothy: you're not in Kansas anymore!!
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3:07 pm
September 3, 2010
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Jarhead
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Post edited 3:15 pm – September 3, 2010 by Jarhead
Most of the stories Pete had to do with minor events. Stopping people for no reason and then breaking a tail light if they found anything. Planting drugs on someone they "knew" was a drug dealer but couldn't prove it. Beating "assholes" after they had them cuffed. The worst I heard and it may have been BS was about Gordon Kahl. http://www.constitution.org/ab…..l/kahl.htm They all claimed that it was an execution for Kahl killing Sheriff Gene Matthews and that everyone in LE knew it.
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" The Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." John Adams
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4:17 pm
September 3, 2010
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Clark
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Post edited 12:43 am – September 4, 2010 by Clark
Found this at HBB:
Comment by jeff saturday
2010-09-03 05:22:47
Burglarized House? Oakland Police Want You to Know ‘We’re Not Coming’
Clear enough? Cutbacks in places like Oakland have forced police to prioritize crimes as never before, and to simply “stop responding to fraud, burglary and theft calls as officers focus limited resources on violent crime.”
Here are some of the other crimes for which Oakland says it will no longer be sending officers to the location unless it is “in-progress or there is a suspect on-scene:”
• Lost Property
• Theft
• Vandalism
• Vehicle Burglary
• Vehicle Tampering
• Residential Burglary
• Identity Theft
• Annoying and Harassing Phone Calls
• Barking Dog
• Violation of a Restraining Order
• Reporting a Runaway
• Violation of a Court Order
• Violation of a child custody order where one parent failed to return the child at a specified time.
(Link is broken) legalblogwatch.typepad.com/legal_blog_watch/2010/08/burglarized-house-oakland-police-want-you-to-know-were-not-coming.html – 49k
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Pete said, "Curious, Jarhead: what type of stories are you referring too? The type
where they were in life and death situations or the 'police indiffernce/brutality' scenarios?"
You might find this similar to those two types of stories:
"Criminals With Badges": Denver's Militarized Police
This felonious assault took place in the presence of two other police officers who, in keeping with the oath-bound discipline of their brotherhood, refused to intervene.
"This guy [Sellers] does this all the time," one of the bully's comrades told Chris Fuchs, an eyewitness to the November 23, 2008 assault, after Jared was released. "We don't know how he gets away with it." The obvious reply would be: "He gets away with it because of the guilty collaboration of `good cops' like you."
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