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2:30 pm
November 5, 2011
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Jedi
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…Well, it's a happy day if you're a supporter of tyrannical governments. In honor of Guy Fawkes, I thought I would link to a very good article that I read over at SovereignMan.com. Everyone should take time to read this.
http://www.sovereignman.com/ex…..wkes-2011/
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"If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." -John Quincy Adams
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7:16 pm
November 5, 2011
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Jarhead
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Governments are like primitive cannibals feasting on a great treasure trove of sheeple. You can’t force them out, and you can’t vote them out. But you can sure as hell starve them out. When enough people pick up and leave, essentially voting with their feet, it accelerates the system crash.
Pick up and leave?…….. to where?
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" When a well packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and it's speaker a raving lunatic." Dresden James
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8:28 pm
November 5, 2011
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MW
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In the day of Guy Fawkes, that would be "pick up and leave for the colonies, i.e. America"
For now, I think you pick and move to a state with:
- liberal on 2nd amendment (classically liberal, by the way, meaning "much liberty")
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All the kings horses and all the kings men won’t be able to put the empire together again. -anonymous
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9:07 pm
November 5, 2011
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druidhouse
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hear, hear, excellent criteria. i'll drink to that.
below is a paragraph form an article by a supposed expert. see if you can spot the flaws in logic and the false premises.
"Another common misperception is that China will overcome the US militarily. First of all, China has no major allies, with the possible exception of Russia, which clearly seeks to protect its own interests first and foremost. The US on the other hand has firm global allies, military bases worldwide, and a navy that girdles the earth. Secondly, in today's world, warfare is all about technology, and in spite of its successes with rockets and satellites, China is still handicapped in this area. Finally, there is the question of political will. China will fight to protect its interests in Taiwan and in Tibet. But other than that, North Korea has proved to be a major albatross, and there is another strong power in the region, Japan, which will do everything it can to check China's military ascendency."
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9:39 pm
November 5, 2011
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jamie
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Well Idaho does have a state income tax. and while we do have miniorities most tend to be hard working ones. It's the amaricanised ones and the white trash that tend to be a problem. It's not about minorities it's about attitude. Ass holes come in every shape, size and color. I'm upfront that I'm on the Dole and I get SSD and a little VA check (which I'm docked $124.00 per month to pay back the USArmy rating of 10% disabled) for smashing myself into peices during "Peace Time"  But I get nothing else from the PTB's. So if I can make it, pay my bills, not get all the goodies and prepare, why can't others? Medicare is not free for seniors either, they pay about 11% of their SS check for the privelege of medicare part B. Every Cola adjustment is taken up by an increase in Medicare costs. I'll get off that lil pony now as I can't afford a High horse.
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11:22 pm
November 5, 2011
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Jedi
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Post edited 11:23 pm – November 5, 2011 by Jedi
Jarhead said:
Governments are like primitive cannibals feasting on a great treasure trove of sheeple. You can’t force them out, and you can’t vote them out. But you can sure as hell starve them out. When enough people pick up and leave, essentially voting with their feet, it accelerates the system crash.
Pick up and leave?…….. to where?
Having read "Simon's" SovereignMan posts for over a year, I can tell you that he does in fact mean to leave the US, not just to locate in an ideal state within the US. Where to go depends on the person. His top choice, for a number of reasons, is Chile. If you search his site, I'm sure you can find his many reasons for choosing Chile. Jim Rogers chose to move his family to Singapore. Where you go depends on your preferences and situation.
No country is perfect, but many are better than the future, and even current US with regard to civil liberties. For those who choose to stay, or have no choice but to stay, the idea is to minimize your dependence on a single nation's government. If you work, bank, live, invest, etc all within the same jurisdiction, you are 100% at the mercy of the bureaucrats in charge of that particular nation. "Simon" advocates what he calls planting multiple flags. He often recommends, for example, setting up a Hong Kong bank account, establishing a business in Singapore, obtaining a respected second passport, storing precious metals overseas, etc.
Let's say that the broke US government decides to pass something called the "Investing in our children's futures Act". To the masses, this sounds like a great idea. However, this act creates capital controls that prohibit, or make it extremely difficult, to move retirement accounts or precious metals outside of the US. After that, in order to "secure the future of America's children", the government, for the good of its citizens of course, makes it mandatory to invest 50% of all retirement accounts in US treasuries backed only by the good faith and credit of the bankrupt United States. As the value of the dollar plunges, so does the value of all the savings that you worked so hard to accumulate. You are trapped in the US dollar, and there is not much you can do about it.
In this scenario, if you are 100% invested in the United States, then you are out of luck. However, if you have a foreign bank account, foreign investments, or precious metals stored overseas, you are beyond the reach of the new law and it's regulations. To be clear, you are not hiding these accounts and investments. You will continue to report them, but you are not restricted by any tyrannical laws the desperate US government decides to pass.
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"If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." -John Quincy Adams
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4:46 am
November 6, 2011
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Pete
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MW said:
In the day of Guy Fawkes, that would be "pick up and leave for the colonies, i.e. America"
For now, I think you pick and move to a state with:
- liberal on 2nd amendment (classically liberal, by the way, meaning "much liberty")
Back to the 'Free State' project; i.e. New Hampshire. I also read Simon Black's 'Sovereign Man' e-letter….it sure does sound tempting to up and move to another place on the globe but I think when the US AND China's economies implode, there's really not going to be many safe havens in the world…every economy will react in a 'self preservation' manner and if you're located in an area where you're considered an outsider, you're going to have a very rough time trying to survive. If you're going to relocate, I would suggest doing it very soon so as to establish yourself in your local community. If I was to move outside the US, I'd love to go to Chile: it really does sound like an up and coming economy, great work ethic, sound government, etc. If I was to move inside the US, I think Idaho would have an edge over New Hampshire due to it's low population density. But, I'm rooted here in Southern Ohio/Appalachia…lot's of family, some friends, but a very parasitical mentality in the local population. It will be hard to deal with in the long run.
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The United States' I grew up in no longer exists…click your heals, Dorothy: you're not in Kansas anymore!!
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6:39 am
November 6, 2011
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Crab Apple
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druidhouse said:
hear, hear, excellent criteria. i'll drink to that.
below is a paragraph form an article by a supposed expert. see if you can spot the flaws in logic and the false premises.
"Another common misperception is that China will overcome the US militarily. First of all, China has no major allies, with the possible exception of Russia, which clearly seeks to protect its own interests first and foremost. The US on the other hand has firm global allies, military bases worldwide, and a navy that girdles the earth. Secondly, in today's world, warfare is all about technology, and in spite of its successes with rockets and satellites, China is still handicapped in this area. Finally, there is the question of political will. China will fight to protect its interests in Taiwan and in Tibet. But other than that, North Korea has proved to be a major albatross, and there is another strong power in the region, Japan, which will do everything it can to check China's military ascendency."
Firstly, Good to hear from you Druid!
And x2 on the criteria MW listed.
As for you question about finding errors in the "experts" premises…. I don't think he got ANYTHING right.
1Currently our allies are baggage NOT an advantage and as we as a nation lose MORE of our ability to project military force around the world (read spending power)…. having bases of operation around the planet on allies soil will be less and less of an advantage. Ditto to a planet cruising Navy.
2China is currently practicing TOTAL war…. they will resort to military force if and when necessary BUT even then technology is not always going to be the deciding factor in conflict. Secondly on the technology front, China buys and steals the technology the rest of the world struggles to create.
3China's political will???? I don't know why he would think the Chinese be lacking there perhaps he mistakes PATIENCE for a lack of will.
4Japan …..keep China in check….. what was this guy smoking?
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8:39 am
November 6, 2011
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cryingfreeman
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Simon Black has reason to believe that Chile is the best spot to be… He's ex US military intelligence, presumably retaining connections with old friends still in the forces, so maybe he has reason to think that's the best place to be. Interestingly, while he likes NZ, he prefers Chile. One wonders… why?
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11:27 am
November 6, 2011
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Gallo
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Post edited 9:49 am – November 7, 2011 by Gallo
Everyone who has read my posts on bugging out knows that I've always been a proponent of having a passport on hand and enough money to get the he'll out of the US, if the need arose. However, I'd be the first to admit that finding a better country than the US is a difficult task despite the current political climate and the perception that the US is turning into a police state.
On the top of my list for bugging out would be Uruguay, Chile, and Costa Rica. Uruguay has been called the Switzerland of South America for it's banking practices. It has no taxes on money deposited from the outside nor a tax on money made outside the country.
Chile is a good economy and good country with lots of natural resources. Self sustaining for energy and food. Don't forget, though, that not long ago it was a dictatorship.
Costa Rica is a distant thrid mostly because it has a stable democracy.
Now, none of these three countries comes close to having a second amendment. What this means to me is that what ever rights people enjoy there are accepted by their citizenry as a privilege and not an unalienable right.
I believe we have the best constitution the planet has ever had and should do our best to preserve it. You can't do that by walking away. There may be a time to move, but I don't believe it is now.
I can't help but wonder if Simon is heavily vested in Chilean real estate.
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2:13 pm
November 6, 2011
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Justin Case
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Here is another viewpoint about places to bug out to if things get bad. It's motivated by the Peak Oil theory and involves a person of means who is visiting several countries over the next 18 months to evaluate their prospects in a post-Peak Oil world. Listen to the first several minutes of this audio interview: Erik Townsend: A Peak Oil Journey Around the World–Where are the Best Places to Live?
Interestingly, his experience in Argentina corroborates Fernando's posts about the area (i.e., a formerly grandiose place that is crumbling due to political corruption). He also corroborates the perception of Chile that appears in this thread (i.e., a country that seems to have its act together).
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8:46 am
November 7, 2011
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MW
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As for you question about finding errors in the "experts" premises…. I don't think he got ANYTHING right.
1Currently our allies are baggage NOT an advantage and as we as a nation lose MORE of our ability to project military force around the world (read spending power)…. having bases of operation around the planet on allies soil will be less and less of an advantage. Ditto to a planet cruising Navy.
2China is currently practicing TOTAL war…. they will resort to military force if and when necessary BUT even then technology is not always going to be the deciding factor in conflict. Secondly on the technology front, China buys and steals the technology the rest of the world struggles to create.
3China's political will???? I don't know why he would think the Chinese be lacking there perhaps he mistakes PATIENCE for a lack of will.
4Japan …..keep China in check….. what was this guy smoking?
Exactly right, Crabby. I was going to say the same thing. The author is a dunce. Having no allies is a multiplier to sovereignty.. no entangling alliances. No bleeding of capital to fight other nations' wars for them. Furthermore, foreign intervention and military adventurism SAPS a nation's political will, as that will originates from the people and the PEOPLE get pissed quickly when their young men and women are killed in senseless wars to serve a purpose they know has ZERO bearing on national defense. So, no, China does not have a weak political will for war. Culturally and traditionally, they are not an aggressor. Who have they invaded and occupied? Who has the U.S> invaded and occupied? Duh. Freakin duh!
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All the kings horses and all the kings men won’t be able to put the empire together again. -anonymous
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9:52 am
November 7, 2011
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Gallo
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If it all becomes unbundled do you still want to move to another country?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new…..-Iran.html
Russia warns against Israeli air strike on Iran
Russia’s foreign minister Sergei Lavov has warned that a military strike on Iran would be a “very serious mistake” with “unpredictable consequences”, after Israel’s president Shimon Peres said that an attack was increasingly likely.
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11:08 am
November 7, 2011
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Pete
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Here's an article that goes into some good detail that validates China's economy is also imploding due to their credit expansion; and now, trying to bring it in check to combat inflation…they've made a mess of things for their people:
http://www.moneynews.com/Marke…../id/417064
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The United States' I grew up in no longer exists…click your heals, Dorothy: you're not in Kansas anymore!!
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