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Anybody else more on edge these days?

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1:06 pm
October 13, 2010


Marblesonac

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For whatever reason, can't put my finger on it, I'm more on edge these past few days then I can remember.

 

Might be the mortgage mess crashing the Real Estate market, might be Gold and Silver going up, dollar going down.

 

Really though, I'm on edge because it feels like something big might being going down soon. 

 

I'm probably just paranoid.

 

Anyone else feel that it's worse than even last week?

Stop bitching and start a revolution!

1:30 pm
October 13, 2010


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YES!! Gold and silver CONSTANTLY going up…all commodities on the rise: sooner or later, the major bond holders are going to say that enough is enough and then the stampede will hit. The only light at present is that some economists are saying that the increases will finally stop once the Fed makes the announcement that QE will definitly happen (can't remember the term they had for this phenomenon: 'buy on speculation, sell on fact'). I hate the fact that it's going to happen but at the same time, I wish it would so we can at least begin to get all this behind us. A huge correction has to happen in the markets…the longer it waits to correct, the worse the correction will be.

The United States' I grew up in no longer exists…click your heals, Dorothy: you're not in Kansas anymore!!

1:37 pm
October 13, 2010


brosil

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   You mean because the .gov is looking to seize our 401/Ks? Yeah, just a bit.panic

1:46 pm
October 13, 2010


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No Worries………but yes something is about to happen.

LOOK: Start to get wrapped around the idea that it was over in the Fall of 2008. This is just the dying quivers. Stop waiting for "IT" to happen, "IT" already happened.
 

1:57 pm
October 13, 2010


EN

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These days are golden. It's after the election when s**t will happen. So you've got a few weeks before it all comes undone. roflroflrofl

"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex… It takes a touch of genius to move in the opposite direction." Albert Einstien

2:17 pm
October 13, 2010


Sourdough

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LOOK: Start to get wrapped around the idea that it was over in the Fall of 2008. This is just the dying quivers. Stop waiting for "IT" to happen, "IT" already happened.
 

2:24 pm
October 13, 2010


pm97

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yes, but its probably the accident I was in last week.  mad

3:22 pm
October 13, 2010


jadalina

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Post edited 3:25 pm – October 13, 2010 by jadalina


I was pretty chilled out until I nearly poked my eye out this morning. 6 hours and a $100 ER co-pay visit later, I'm now officially on edge. Well… as much of an edge as I can be while tweaking on hydrocodone anyway.

Read an article about Walmart boo hooing that getting rid of their variety and putting stuff on crazy sales did nothing to boost their profit margin so now they're jacking up prices (highest food prices evah the article says) so they can make up for lost profits from the pockets of the shoppers they still have. Never good when the US's biggest retail predator comes out and admits they're jacking up prices. 

Cops are pulling people over for everything. I've gone decades without so much as a horn blip for speeding, until this year. I've been pulled over eight times in the last 2 months, for the stupidest crap! "Obscured License Plate" because it had some mud on it. "Driving on Improved Shoulder" because I pulled over a bit to let the cop PASS ME! Four were speeding warnings, all of which I had the cruise set to the speed limit. Got warnings on everything, but apparently the departments are desperate for money so they've told the cops to go after anything and everything. 

Of course that article about that chucklehead pushing for seizing 401ks did nothing to make me twitter with joy. I printed out a few dozen copies of that little jewel and put them at all the local hangouts for people to read over coffee.

The city I work for is about to be overdrawn by about 10k. No money in the coffers, and the powers that be are still merrily running amok with the VISA like it's 1999.

I don't get worked up over anything really. But for me, this is on edge.

7:35 am
October 14, 2010


druidhouse

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"buy on rumor, sell on news". and it's usually the correct strategy. but not always.

 

the foreclosure freeze is a major deal. but ultimately clear title will be DECLARED by executive order. my prime leading indicator signaled last week that the second major downleg in the housing market has begun.

QE has been ongoing. it never stopped.

 

vote out all incumbents.

9:15 am
October 14, 2010


Pete

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druidhouse said:

 

the foreclosure freeze is a major deal. but ultimately clear title will be DECLARED by executive order. my prime leading indicator signaled last week that the second major downleg in the housing market has begun.

QE has been ongoing. it never stopped.

 

vote out all incumbents.


Hey Druid, can you help me out?

1. What did you mean by 'clear title will be declared by executive order'? I'm picturing that the foreclosure proceedings were stopped because the Banks did not want the feds to come back and tell them they were evicting people from their homes illegally. Clear title, to me, means 'clear' owner; so, not too sure what the President can do with a declaration.

2. Also, what's your 'prime leading indicator'? Is that a market tracking system that's indicating another housing drop?

3. And just one more question, anyone please feel free to chime in: Gerald Celente (I don't put a whole lot of stock in his assumptions) and a lot of other 'economists' were forecasting 'blood in the streets' when the commercial property takes a nose dive that would make the mortgage crisis look mild by comparison. I haven't seen anything to this nature. Is the Fed buying up all these toxic assets already which is keeping the banking industry afloat?

The United States' I grew up in no longer exists…click your heals, Dorothy: you're not in Kansas anymore!!

10:54 am
October 14, 2010


Sourdough

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LOOK: Start to get wrapped around the idea that it was over in the Fall of 2008. This is just the dying quivers. Stop waiting for "IT" to happen, "IT" already happened.
 

12:00 pm
October 14, 2010


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Great link SD, I knew this was going to be a mess but I had no idea how bad. This may be the nudge over the cliff we have all been looking for. Druid may be right, Obama may come in and declare all of these foreclosures legal, but I don't think it would hold water. SCOTUS would never allow it to stand. What happens if no one pays their mortgage any longer?

"  When a well packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and it's speaker a raving lunatic." Dresden James 

2:14 pm
October 14, 2010


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No matter who does what the important thing is that real estate is OVER! It will find its own level no matter how much bankers and congressmen try to save their portfolios. If you own property its going to be worth less, end of story. It's no longer a matter of deck chairs, we're now down to lifeboats. Watch those congressional whores very closely. They will be trying to reserve their own lifeboats. This will happen regardless of party.

"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex… It takes a touch of genius to move in the opposite direction." Albert Einstien

7:57 pm
October 14, 2010


EN

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Post edited 7:58 pm – October 14, 2010 by EN


After watching the instability in the commodities market all day I thought I'd have an evening by myself and watch Fellowship of the Ring, the first part of LOTRs. I love the books and the movies and it seemed like a nice way to relax. Get a pizza, a glass or two of wine and just forget about it for the evening… So this is how the movie opens:

 

"The world is changed. I feel it in the water. I feel it in the earth. I

smell it in the air. Much that once was is lost, for none now live who

remember it."

 

roflroflrofl so much for my relaxing evening.

"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex… It takes a touch of genius to move in the opposite direction." Albert Einstien

3:36 am
October 15, 2010


druidhouse

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pete:

1. at some point either the president by executive order or the congress by law will arbitrarily choose a point at which a title is assumed, and by law is, clear. they can't let this go on for very long. the link below your post gives a very good explanation of clear title. the problem arose when the title  companies started refusing to insure the title for the banks in a foreclosure sale. in the process of securitizing mortgages the original note (agreement to repay) was either lost or (more likely) discarded/destroyed, when the document was scanned or the information on the document entered into a computer and the new security document created. the new law will simply make that entry the point at which the title is clear. you won't have to go back as far as you used to go.  they started securitizing mortgages in 1977 and the guy to blame is Lewis S. Ranieri. i very highly recommend the book "liar's poker" by michael lewis to everybody here. it's a very fun read and gives you huge insight  into trading and wall street. i first read it about 25 years ago and it talks about the birth of the mortgage backed security under ranieri's hand, which at the time seemed like a great idea. any way, no politician is going to allow himself to be known as the guy who drove the last nail into the coffin of the american dream of homeownership by closing down the real estate industry on a technicality. not going to happen.

2. if i told you what my 'prime leading indicator' was you'd start laughing hysterically. but it's been amazingly accurate over the years. let's just say it's a little quirky and eccentric and would never be used by..oh, say a brokerage firm. and it's a contrary indicator. whichever way this indicator goes, i go the opposite direction. if it buys, i sell, and vice versa.

3. everybody in the commercial property sector is just holding their breath right now. they all know the dog is dead but nobody wants to tell the kids. commercial real estate is in so much trouble that nothing is being done because any action would be catastrophic. the loans are bigger and the lending terms shorter. the city center project in las vegas is emblematic of today's commercial real estate situation. it is the largest privately built project in the history of the u.s. and it opened in december 2009, right into the teeth of the worst real estate collapse since the 30's. it couldn't be completely built because of mistakes in tying the rebar and design flaws, so it's 20 stories short of it's blueprints (personally i would have been tipped off that something was amiss when i first looked at the plans and noticed two of the towers were leaning toward each other at about 15 degrees). it went bankrupt twice before it was "completed", they had to refund money to the people (all 88 of them) who had pre-purchased condo units, and the whole development is essentially nevada's burj dubai, a hopelessly failed concept. yes, commercial real estate is going to be a large problem when the first suicidal banker decides it's time to say something and foreclose. the fed isn't buying the "assets" yet because all the lien holders have both hands over their mouths and are soiling their trousers, hoping that by some miracle it just all goes away.

11:57 am
October 20, 2010


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According to Dying of Money, which I recently read thanks to my good local library system ( The one thing that seems to be well run around here).

 

Anyway the sequence in weimar germany in the twenties was like this.

First the Bond market tanked, which spooked the stock market and it totally tanked (like lost 90% of its market cap virtually overnight).

 

But also it said that german companies that were earning money and were exporting ended up being bargains and making the few people who bought at lows pretty wealthy.

 

The markets right now are really tough to play. The only thing I have in it is my IRA. Which is nice for the precious metal ETFs. No ridiculously high collectible rate (worse than long term capital gains)  Yes I know its not the same as physical possession, I know its paper just like stocks and ultimately intrinsically worthless.

 

I would feel like being mostly in cash right now waiting for a stock market crash and then just buy Oil companies, mining stocks, the Catepillars, and ADMs of the world when the stock market tanks. I mean either eventually the market will come back and some of those companies will be scooped up for very cheap or its all over for our country in which case it won't matter because any of those paper assets including cash will be worthless. So my goal is actually to hedge my bets that eventually things will get better.BUT OFCOURSE inflation is on a tear right now. THe CPI is rigged to understate inflation. The Treasury doesn't want to have to pay all those Social Security Recipients, Gov't employees, TIPS bond holders and frankly its creditors in general higher interest or increased cost of living adjustments. 

 

I need to be building a list of companies I would buy at rock bottom prices when the market spooks. I think that gold would spike in a stock market crash or shortly thereafter even if it came down a little as some big boys would be liquidating their gold to make their margin calls as they get killed as the market tanks. Hopefully I can sell my gold and silver ETFs and buy some blue chip companies super cheap.

 

Companies I would like to buy cheap:

Oil Companies especially foreign ones in certain countries

Mining Companies

Food Exporters

Capital Equipment Makers

Netflix

Amazon

 

Just sort of feel like we will have a major stock market crash caused by a crisis in confidence in U.S. Treasuries. I mean who wants to be in dollar denominated assets when interest rates are too low here and countries like china are increasing their interest rates. The world is going to wake up that the dollar is not as safe as they think. 

 

Again it all might be for not. Then again it may be that the world doesn't end just the world as we knew it as Ferfal likes to say.

 

I should say that it may take decades to earn any return on this stratergy but I have a pretty long term view as I am relatively young and not close to retirement.

6:48 am
October 21, 2010


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if congress allows the bush tax cuts to expire, the capital gains tax will go from 15% to 39.6% on january 1. that's more than double.  it would seem to me that if you have gains you would sell before the end of the year to capture that much lower tax rate. i'm going to. you can always buy everything back in february. so there might be some extra risk in the market for the next 3 months.

netflix has been a rock star over the past 8 months. i like all your picks, twine. i would add GDXJ. right now might be a good time to write covered calls.

i don't think our experience is going to be similar to the weimar republic because of the fact that post WWI  germany was starving to death due to the onerous reparations imposed in the treaty of versailles and was not much of a factor in the world economy at that time. prices of all things that constitute an expense will go up, but there is going to be no increase in wages. so the treasury has leeway to print quite a bit of money. and almost every country in the world would be damaged by a run on the dollar. i still can't figure out the sequence of events that will lead to such a run. it's got to happen at some point.

the u.s., however, is the lynchpin  of the world economy, although diminishingly so.  it may be a drip, drip, drip thing for another year or two as asia decouples from our market. but right now it's in everybody's interest to prop up the dollar.

come february 2011, i'm completely bullish on the DOW. but with stops, of course.

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